Leading Conservatives Call for Extensive Hearings on NSA Surveillance; Checks on Invasive Federal Po

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=59381 ^ | January 17, 2006 | Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances

[rdb3]

I notice you did not deny you[sic] lack intelligence.

My IQ would dwarf yours, trust me. You don't want to go there.

This is a ch__ch. What's missing?

[Darksheare]

So you want them to tell Mahmoud Ibn Bin Maktoub the mad bomber to hold on the line while they get a warrant?
Interesting, thanks.

[kbo]

Nope. They don't need to. That FISA law allows them to go ahead without a warrant, and they have 72 hours (after the fact) to request the warrant. The law has allowances for situations where you don't have time to stop and get the warrant.

I think they should definitely do the wiretap in an emergency situation without the warrant, but they should then follow the law (and cover their butts) by submitting for the warrant within 72 hours. That FISA court never rejected any requests in 2004. They granted every single warrant. So why didn't they do this?

[Darksheare]

"That FISA law allows them to go ahead without a warrant, and they have 72 hours (after the fact) to request the warrant. "

So why are you whining about it then?
HMMMM?

[inquest]

What's with the "[sic]"? His grammar was proper.

[inquest]

You haven't been paying much attention to the news, have you?

"The administration has acknowledged that the NSA hasn't obtained FISA warrants, but it argues that Bush was empowered to circumvent FISA by an October 2001 congressional resolution authorizing him to use force to deter al-Qaida attacks."

[Darksheare]

I was asking KBO what his problem is.
That doesn't answer my question to him.

Besides, what rights do terrorists have under the law?
Zip.

[inquest]

Besides, what rights do terrorists have under the law?

Circular Logic Error.

[Darksheare]

Negative.
Terrorists are undeclared combatants.
Hence they have no legal recourse whatsoever.
Or do you think Gitmo is illegal?

[Eva]

There was quite a bit of concern about Norquist's activities, when it first became known that he wasn't all that he portrayed himself to be. He is a lobbyist for the radical Islamists, but sold himself to the Whitehouse as an expert, not a lobbyist.

[inquest]

You're still assuming the premise in dispute. The whole point of having warrants is to ensure that the people being spied on are in fact terrorists, or at least are likely to be.

[Darksheare]

From what has been said, there was a list of known terrorist numbers.
Calls from those numbers were being monitored.

You're making the assumption that those being recorded aren't already under suspicion.

[inquest]

The article spoke in the present tense, as though the White House still considers him an expert.

[inquest]

You're making the assumption that those being recorded aren't already under suspicion.

I'm not assuming anything. You're making the assumption that because the administration says they consider them under suspicion, they can lose their rights on that basis.

[Eva]

I don't know, the article is several years old.

[Darksheare]

"I'm not assuming anything."

Yes you have.
You've also presumed to answer for someone else.

[inquest]

I don't know, the article is several years old.

Even that being the case, if the White House considered him a go-to expert at the time the article was written, and information about him was public knowledge, then it still would taint Rove and Bush, if it's true.

[inquest]

My posts to you are 226, 228, 231, and 234. In none of them did I make any assumptions as to whether somebody has a suspicion about the people being spied on. That's your invention, and, I suspect, your diversion.

[Lakeshark]

He thinks we are doomed because of the eeeevil intercepts, doomed forever.

And congress has abdicated its responsibilities. If you can understand post 145, please explain it, cause he doesn't seem to be able to.

All he does is mumble.......like Uncle Andrew planted by the critters.....

[Eva]

The man presented himself as a tax reform expert with personal knowlege about the Middle East. He raised lots of money. Rove was more interested in the money, than in his politics.

Here's another little tidbit on Norquist that came out after his Islamic affiliations were discovered:

* On June 22, 2000 Norquist received an award from the American Muslim Council in a program at which Sami Al-Arian was the keynote speaker. Al-Arian's topic was stopping the U.S. government from using profiling or intelligence data to catch terrorists.

By the way, Clinton seems to have made use of Norquist as well, having done him the favor of stopping the investigation into terror funding that was targetting Norquist's friend, Sami Al-Arian in 1995. But of course Clinton didn't share the information with Bush.