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Why Johnny Isn't Going To College
The Eagle Forum ^ | Jan. 11, 2006 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 01/17/2006 2:32:51 PM PST by MensRightsActivist

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To: Alberta's Child

"I challenge you to find me a single case in which a "profitable" male sports program was eliminated in order to help a school meet the Federal Title IX requirements."

I don't recall the name of the football team that was on the Donahue Show several years ago, but just what you describe as not happening, happened to them. Yeah, it does happen.

61 posted on 01/18/2006 12:37:18 AM PST by MensRightsActivist
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To: exit82
Unless you plan to be a professional(including teaching), why bother with college.

Forget about teaching. Local districts started a pilot program of teaching math and science subjects remotely via broadband hookup from India. Existing faculty in these subjects were terminated, being replaced by proctors.

If successful, the entire secondary school faculty in the state of California could be eliminated by 2010.

Time to practice those burger flipping skills.

62 posted on 01/18/2006 12:44:22 AM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: The Gallows Party
TGP:

Thanks for posting that. I agree with your insights. IMHO, a lot of Republicans are really uninformed about the massive damage gender feminists like Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Hillary Clinton, and all those running the educational system are doing. IMHO, there are some Republicans on this thread who desperately need to read a new book that's just out to find out what gender feminism is doing to America. Women Who Make the World Worse

63 posted on 01/18/2006 12:49:57 AM PST by MensRightsActivist
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To: The Worthless Miracle
A lot of jobs require a person to have a bachelor's degree, regardless of what it's in...

Does the job itself require that you have a degree or is it simply that the HR dept forces that gateway to be there?

64 posted on 01/18/2006 1:11:14 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Young Scholar
That's probably true to some extent, though anyone who goes to one of the top business, law, or medical programs will be doing quite well.

Absolutely, they will be doing well. The reason I said 40 and not 50 is that I think perhaps the doctors and lawyers might pass the electricians and the plumbers in income and assets by that time. But 40? I don't think so. I've got a son-in-law at a top tier Philly law firm who makes the big bucks, but he just recently finished paying off his law school loans and has a lot of ground to cover before he can match a self-employed, hard working electrician or plumber in assets.

65 posted on 01/18/2006 1:15:00 AM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: rbg81

"Companies who need intelligent people will cough up the $$ to keep them.

You haven't seen the way companies are outsourcing and laying off people these days? That also depresses the salaries.

"Here’s the life time earning comparison: "

Your lifetime earnings comparison looks good but it doesn't tell the whole story. With fewer and fewer men going to college these days does that mean that in the future women are going to make a lot more than men since their numbers in college enrollment are still increasing? There is a reason for this declining enrollment in colleges. Even education bows to the supply/demand curve.

College students have experienced a significant drop in income in the last few years:
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsunbound/archives/2005/09/the_continuing.html

A college education used to be the ticket to a good job with a stable company, with lots of pension and healthcare benefits. Salaries were higher, too.

Your historical data makes your point, but I believe that we are entering a period where this data will not be duplicated. Since most analysts are saying that people will have to change careers at least once in their lifetime it removes alot of the positives for getting a college degree.

College degrees will make sense for professional degrees like law and medicine where you are self-employed and you can expect to maintain the same career for you life. But that will not be true of most careers IMHO.


66 posted on 01/18/2006 6:37:42 AM PST by webstersII
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To: FreedomCalls

The HR dept requires it. A barrier is a barrier, though, IMO.


67 posted on 01/18/2006 6:29:16 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: rbg81
While college grads generally make more than HS grads now, the trend is going the other way.

Coming out of college being better able to think and communicate--that was true when I was in college thirty years ago. Today, I don't see a whole lot of evidence for that.

If you are fairly intelligent going in, and you don't let the profs turn your brain into mush with their liberal thinking, you'll come out more learned.

Alas, that is not the case most times.

I have been in the corporate world, and I have been in the business world(not the same thing) and will soon be in the entrepreneurial world.

All jobs won't be outsourced, but today, one must develop skill sets that are flexible and adaptive. The economic environment is changing. The straight line method that most college grads think is out there no longer is there.

The reason to get out of bed every morning is that you no longer have to be a corporate yes-man to succeed. In this country, one can still succeed through initiative,opportunity and hard work.

Colleges don't necessarily teach that.
68 posted on 01/18/2006 9:43:32 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle
The things you learn in college may change your life--for better or for worse.

But for four years and up to $ 160,000 for the ride, you can change your life a whole lot of fun ways.

Learning is a life-long process, but a sheepskin is no guarantee of learning or success.
69 posted on 01/18/2006 9:46:38 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: MensRightsActivist

Get this one...today I was at my local community college...just doing some research on a possible career change. I saw a poster about Elementary school teachers. I asked the counselor what I would have to do to become a teacher. She asked me if I had a BA...I said yes. She said send your transcripts to the State Board and they'll hire you. I was incredulous..I asked if there's something I actually have to know about teaching elementary kids. She said, NOPE. She said they're taking people off busses for emergency teachers because they don't have enough. this is Arizona. She said the pay is so low, nobody wants to do it. I am still spinning from this conversation.


70 posted on 01/18/2006 9:46:48 PM PST by Hildy (Spielberg spends his spare time memorializing the last Holocaust while working to justify the next.)
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To: Windsong

Your doctor saw his future in the medical profession, and not just in English.

College is necessary for professions, but an English major,for its cost and time, will not yield anywhere near the payback for its cost.


71 posted on 01/18/2006 9:50:06 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: Lorianne; Heyworth

Except that college sports scholarships was how a lot of guys paid for college.


72 posted on 01/18/2006 9:54:51 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RosieCotton

You've pointed out a major problem with colleges today--some teachers can't teach, and they never will be able to teach.

The world of a college can be very insular and comfortable---no need to rock any boats. Are they the best to challenge young minds?

The world outside has a lot of rough water to navigate.


73 posted on 01/18/2006 9:57:33 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: dr_lew

Now, there's an idea for a college course--Complaining 101.

It could help with some of those sticky consumer-type problems that are bound to crop up later in life.


74 posted on 01/18/2006 10:01:25 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I haven't heard much about it lately, but Federal Perkins funding is based on gender ratio improvement in "under-represented" populations. The fire academy has been getting flak over not enough women, and the cosmetology program is getting flak over not enough men. We've talked about a Fire-Cosmetology program. Today, we're doing Ladders and Pedicures.


75 posted on 01/18/2006 10:02:37 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thank you, PC. I meant the cost was for four years.And those costs are rising at two to three times the rate of inflation.


76 posted on 01/18/2006 10:04:43 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Mike, it is true that many colleges don't cost as much as I said, but the cost range I quoted is not an unusual one for many private schools, especially with college costs rising at two to three times the rate of inflation each year.

Now many kids are advised to attend community colleges for the first two years, get an associiate degree, then transfer to a finish years three and four at a more expensive school that has the four year degree that is desired. Many take a break after the associate degree is earned to earn money for Phase II of the college experience.

This way, Mom and Dad don't have to barf up a lung so Junior can find himself the first two years at college.

BTW, thank you for serving in Iraq to keep me and my family safe. I am in your debt.Thank you. I'm glad you are home.


77 posted on 01/18/2006 10:10:30 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: Euro-American Scum

I also practice saying " Would you like fries with that?"

Guess I have to add "Would you like curry with that?" to my repertoire.


78 posted on 01/18/2006 10:12:29 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: webstersII

Good explanation of historical data versus future trending.

An excellent point.


79 posted on 01/18/2006 10:20:32 PM PST by exit82 (Congressional Democrats---treasonously stuck on stupid.)
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To: Windsong
Unless of course, you enjoy your employees/family atty/etc mispelling every other word in a company memo.

Spelling is a job that should be taught in primary and secondary schools. I am not going to spend 50,000 dollar per year on my son in order to have him taught how to spell. If the teachers cannot do it, I will.

Proud non-user of F7 here.

80 posted on 01/18/2006 10:21:41 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Governments want to copy all the data on you in existence, but will prosecute you for an mp3 copied.)
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