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Why Are Darwinists So Afraid of Intelligent Design?
Human Events ^ | Jan 17, 2006 | Barney Brenner

Posted on 01/16/2006 8:32:58 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: tgambill
//The true way to God is very narrow and straight...his son didn't die for nothing.//

Yes I understand you, and No he did not.

I actually do not claim to be Christian, because I understand how very very narrow and straight the true path is. But I do know the Bible is true.

I have read many other works as the Bhagavad Gita and see the truth in those. So it does not invoke any sort of emotion in me if/when a Christian tells me I am going to H**, I say tell me something I don't know. And besides, that is decided by HIM who is beyond all concepts.

// Jesus his only son, is the only way...simple.//

I cannot deny this. And walk the walk is not talk the walk, that is not towards you but more abstract. In the meantime I can tell you this, unclean Wolf will fight for your side.

Wolf
681 posted on 01/20/2006 12:03:23 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: moog
Moog!

I thought you are a Babe, and I like you for your mind!

Cosmic laughter!

Wolf
682 posted on 01/20/2006 12:27:13 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

Haven't read the whole thread - just checking in here. Actually there is only "one" religion - love for God. He has millions of names. If someone's religion or spiritual path helps him/her love God more, then good. If not, either the path isn't that good, or s/he isn't following well.

One symptom of someone whose love for God is growing is that person will love others as much as he loves himself. IOW, he will care about others' wellbeing as much or more than his own. Without that love for others, the love for God is still very immature.

And sometimes love manifests as "tough love" - as any parent knows.

;-)


683 posted on 01/20/2006 12:28:41 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: RunningWolf

"And besides, that is decided by HIM who is beyond all concepts."

****thanks for your comments....I don't feel comfortable when "hard hitting Christians" of "authority"? start condeming people to h*ll. I have a problem with that. It's just from a Christian's point of view we just share our belief and then move on......




"And walk the walk is not talk the walk, that is not towards you but more abstract."

***** Well, I'm probably one of the worse...:) I know the truth from my side, but walking the walk is very very difficult.....For me, a daily struggle....Hey, wolf..thanks....:)

Tom


684 posted on 01/20/2006 12:53:42 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Elsie
Elsie nail's again!

bookmark for later.

Wolf
685 posted on 01/20/2006 12:56:46 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: little jeremiah

The love of Jesus, and accepting his death is the key....that is what the Christians believe and what the Bible says. The Koran says something else....The Jehovahs' witnesses say that you will inherit a planet when you die.....yes, they actually do believe that....Mormans something else....

So, It would only stand to reason that if I chose a religion, it would be Jehovah's witnesses and I could handle a planet.....why not. But, does that make it so. Why can't I form my own religion.....and give it conditions, rewards and it should come true, right?

I found all these issues and realized that something was wrong here.....So, I searched for the truth.....

I'll leave it here..................One God, one set of rules, one standard......otherwise, I can just form my own if I believe hard enough, love everyone...and so forth....really! why not....

Think about it....


686 posted on 01/20/2006 1:00:08 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
My reply was not 'at you' please understand that.

Also I am not uncomfortable when hard hitting Christians of authority start condemning ME to h*ll, if they really do. I think not most of the time.

Tom and Wolf on the path
687 posted on 01/20/2006 1:03:12 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: tgambill

Just a quick addition here..

Even "Awake" pamphlets I've found truth in, even the Koran. Although I'm pretty disgusted with the Muslims in general and jihadis in particular...

I'm not trying to say that every religious sect is all true, all the time - they'd cancel each other out.

But the basics of "God exists" and "He is the Supreme Controller, Owner, and Friend of all living beings" and "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you", followed by "everyone reaps what they sow" - are universal, and any religious system that rejects these ain't no religion.


688 posted on 01/20/2006 1:19:59 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: tgambill

I'd add two more, the most important:

1. Love God with all one's heart and mind.

2. Love others at least as much as we love ourselves.


689 posted on 01/20/2006 1:21:29 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I am not saying that I do.

But those that do see him, see him everywhere in all things.

Wolf
690 posted on 01/20/2006 1:29:48 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

The greatest saints think themselves more lowly than the straw in the street.

I've read that a saintly person thinks like this:

"I'm just a poor soul who has taken complete shelter in God."


691 posted on 01/20/2006 1:33:15 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: tgambill
I never saw this one......Oh, I talked to a friend this evening and she cited an incident in reverse. The parents, Christian parents have been teaching the children that the Bible is correct. The kids get the Evolution spill, and are confused, return home with confusion, and the parents had to reemphasize the creation story.

It depends upon whether the parents have been teaching that evolution is false. That seems to be the only explanation that would cause such confusion.

If so, then the confusion arises because the parents are the one's leading the kids astray, not the schools.

A parent can teach their kids whatever they want, but if the parents tell the kids something that they later learn to be untrue, then the kids start to question other things their parents told them. And rightfully so.

692 posted on 01/20/2006 2:24:56 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: King Prout

Brahe hired Kepler as an assistant to calculate planetary orbits from Brahe's observations of planetary positions. Brahe set up his observatory sometime after 1574, and abandoned it in 1597. Brahe died in 1601. So it's more like 20 years of observations.
Brahe believed that all planets except Earth orbited the Sun, and the Sun and the Moon orbited Earth.


693 posted on 01/20/2006 4:28:21 AM PST by Dawsonville_Doc
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Well, as a Christian, and I have a son, I tell him as I believe and have read, that evolution is not true. I would keep my opinion pretty much neutral here, as I said in another post, as the post was written to be neutral. My personal belief based on current evidence that I've found, is that evolution is not possible. However, a pro-evolutionist would see it another way due to not believing in God, and yet another who does believe in God would say that God used evolution as another twist.....

Now, that's just me.....


694 posted on 01/20/2006 7:12:42 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: little jeremiah

absolutely.......I'll drink...er I mean, I'll go along with that one.....:)


695 posted on 01/20/2006 7:13:37 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: little jeremiah

good point........


696 posted on 01/20/2006 7:14:40 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Well, as a Christian, and I have a son, I tell him as I believe and have read, that evolution is not true. I would keep my opinion pretty much neutral here, as I said in another post, as the post was written to be neutral. My personal belief based on current evidence that I've found, is that evolution is not possible. However, a pro-evolutionist would see it another way due to not believing in God, and yet another who does believe in God would say that God used evolution as another twist.....

It's at this point that our opinions diverge.

I appreciate the civil tone our discussion has enjoyed. I will say that respectfully, I disagree and I'd like to leave it at that.

FRegards,

Dan

697 posted on 01/20/2006 8:54:20 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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To: King Prout
There's getting to be a lot of sites like this on the internet now where you can get a brief summary of science history.

If you spend a lot of time with it, you can find sources of hard copy translations of some of these guys' interchanges. Although I'm frequently frustrated with how much information is still not available in English.

698 posted on 01/20/2006 9:32:39 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Of course......I don't see why people have to do all this shouting...that was why I had the humor of the post prior to this.....about "we're supposed to be shouting"....:)

however, I've had some colorful attacks and I do get crude with those.....but, discussion, reference, expression of thought and opinion, exchange and agreeing, or agreeing to disagree......who cares, life if too short.....

:)) I've had a date to end in 20 minutes because the "date" was up front quickly and ask me...get this....was I for the death penalty. "Say what"? Okay, I said yes, with some reservations......opps...end of date that quick.....:))))

Oh, that son I told you about......I encourage him by the way, he should always, see for himself. I didn't include that in my "declaration" paragraph. I also encourage him to make his own decisions that he can live with.....this is mine based on blah blah blah.......

So, thanks and I also appreciate the exchange.....However, even now, I still look for contradictions and I have to resolve them; in my own beliefs......that is a personal thing......ever hear of Doubting Thomas.....that Be me.


699 posted on 01/20/2006 9:35:39 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Of course......I don't see why people have to do all this shouting...that was why I had the humor of the post prior to this.....about "we're supposed to be shouting"....:)

I understood the humorous reference.

So, thanks and I also appreciate the exchange.....However, even now, I still look for contradictions and I have to resolve them; in my own beliefs......that is a personal thing......ever hear of Doubting Thomas.....that Be me.

Me, too. Only I'm Doubting Dan. :)

700 posted on 01/20/2006 10:03:00 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (Karen Ryan reporting...)
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