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A complicated death (link between climate change and frog extinctions in Costa Rica)
The Loom: A Blog About Life, Past and Future ^ | 1/11/2006 | Carl Zimmer

Posted on 01/12/2006 7:40:32 AM PST by cogitator

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To: theFIRMbss
***Now the truth is out! Global warming forced Anna off the tennis tour!***

Whew, am I'm glad to hear that. As I though it was because her tennis playing basically stunk.

:-)

21 posted on 01/12/2006 10:22:56 AM PST by Condor51 (The above comment is time sensitive - don't BUG ME an hour from now.)
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To: cogitator

If one lousy degree is enough to send 70 percent of frogs into extinction, shouldn't the frog have gone extinct one hundred times throughout its history?


22 posted on 01/12/2006 10:30:00 AM PST by Our man in washington
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Uh.. not to doubt these experts but are they absolutely SURE the demise of the frogs is due to 'global warming'?

Especially when you factor in the statistic that The French consume "3,000 to 4,000 tons of Frog's Legs per year - 60 to 80 million frogs".

I'd think that would put a dent in any species population :-)



French Cooking

23 posted on 01/12/2006 10:33:23 AM PST by Condor51 (The above comment is time sensitive - don't BUG ME an hour from now.)
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Just being in Costa Rica, people and guides there were very upbeat on their govt's attaempt to keep the rain forest, jungles, many species alive and thought that dealing with the turtles, sloths, etc. other frogs(red and greenies), Costa Rica was doing a good job. Just anecdotal, I realize, but on variedplantations I visited, the same statements were made. If there is a Frog death march going on, those people were not aware of it.


24 posted on 01/12/2006 11:17:21 AM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Our man in washington
If one lousy degree is enough to send 70 percent of frogs into extinction, shouldn't the frog have gone extinct one hundred times throughout its history?

It's one degree, combined with alterations of regional climate, combined with fungus infestation. One reference indicated that human activities also contributed to the spread of the fungus.

Rarely is one effect directly attributable to one single cause in nature.

25 posted on 01/12/2006 11:53:07 AM PST by cogitator
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The point is that the warming trend (as we exit from the Little Ice Age) is irrelevant. It has been warmer than this before (during the MWP), and the frogs did not go extinct. These days a lot of "scientific" articles tack on "Global Warming" as decoration in order to qualify for grant money.


26 posted on 01/12/2006 12:06:21 PM PST by Ragnar54
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Where'd you go in CR? I'm going to the Puerto Jimenez region this summer and looking forward to it.


27 posted on 01/12/2006 12:11:11 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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It has been warmer than this before (during the MWP), and the frogs did not go extinct.

First, you might like to think that the warming trend is post-Little Ice Age, but that's not supported by the data particularly for the mid-1980s to now warming trend. Further, the observed amphibian loss increasingly appears to be caused by a fungus infestation or other diseases that is exacerbated by warming. Habitat loss and climate change may be making the frogs more susceptible to disease than in previous warm periods. (It's somewhat akin to coral diseases, which are on the rise too: the corals are environmentally stressed and therefore more susceptible to diseases.)

28 posted on 01/12/2006 12:59:48 PM PST by cogitator
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If there is a Frog death march going on, those people were not aware of it.

You might have to be a herpetologist to notice, but there have been articles about amphibian losses around the world for several years. (And Costa Rica is doing an admirable job of environmental protection.)

29 posted on 01/12/2006 1:01:27 PM PST by cogitator
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Cogitator,

Don't waste any more cogitation time on weather models and global warming. The METS model is one of the biggies, and it predicts that summer rainfall in the Central Sahara is the same as Ireland.

For those unfamiliar with the global warming bit, the Central Sahara last recorded a summer rain nearly a century ago.

Check Google for Dr. Patrick Michaels, Professor Linzden at MIT, etc..


30 posted on 01/12/2006 3:14:14 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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OOPSIE, There!

Coral diseases like the "coral bleaching" make for good press for Communism Lite enablers in the media ("presstitutes" to the FR community), but reality doesn't support man as a cause.

For those willing to actually read the literature, look up Dr. Eugene Shinn's paper on iron enrichment (iron blown across the Atlantic from the Sahara) and coral response thereto.

His "The Night Periplanata Died" is hilarious. Fair warning, it regularly induces hyper-ventilation in hyper-environmentalists.


31 posted on 01/12/2006 3:21:24 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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bump for later


32 posted on 01/12/2006 7:14:42 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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