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CAFTA-DR hits constitutional snags
Ag Weekly ^ | jamuary 11 , 2006 | Cathy Roemer

Posted on 01/11/2006 11:16:53 PM PST by hedgetrimmer

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To: hedgetrimmer
More proof, as if we needed it, that the far right wacko's are becoming similar to the wacko's on the left.

#3. Misinformation: Quoting communist organizations on a conservative forum to discredit the freedom to trade.

#7 Unproven "Facts: "This is when a (usually immature) "writer" is frantically trying to "prove" a position and they begin to quote "studies", "reports", and "experts" as "proving" this or that, but they never mention the name of the study, location, where copies can be found, or the conditions specific to the experiments."

Hedgetrimmer in post #94

Did you find a source for this nonsense yet or were you just practicing another successful propaganda technique? Boy, do they have you pegged with that one!
21 posted on 01/12/2006 9:30:32 AM PST by Mase
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To: hedgetrimmer
Posting an article doesn't mean an agreement with anything.

SO you don't agree with Burke Stansbury? Right.

But you never discuss the content of an article you only attack the poster.

If mentioning that one of the main people quoted in the article happens to work for and with Communist organizations to fight against CAFTA is considered an attack on you, then I guess I'm guilty, Comrade.

22 posted on 01/12/2006 9:36:37 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
So you are saying that no one can post an article unless they agree one hundred percent with every organization everyone cited in the article is affiliated with?

No, I'm not saying that. I am saying that if you post an article and agree with a Communist quoted in the article, don't be surprised if people start to associate you with Communists.

# 1. Guilt By Association: This is used to damage someone's reputation by associating them with an unattractive person or organization. It doesn't matter if there is an actual association or not.

If a Communist organization is unattractive, you shouldn't post articles quoting their agreement with you. It might damage your reputation.

23 posted on 01/12/2006 9:40:38 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: Mase
Quoting communist organizations on a conservative forum to discredit the freedom to trade.

I did not quote that organization. I did not write the article. "free trade" is not a "conservative" system, either, it discredits itself itself in every way.

You are mixing up threads as well, there is no post#94 on this thread yet, and the comment has nothing to do with the constitutionality of the CAFTA. You guys look pretty desperate here. You can't defend your position, you can only make personal attacks.
24 posted on 01/12/2006 9:42:56 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I am saying that if you post an article and agree with a Communist quoted in the article

Posting an article does not mean agreeing with a communist.

# 11. Subtle Inaccuracies/Dismissive Tone Misstating a topic
25 posted on 01/12/2006 9:58:27 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
You are mixing up threads as well..

You're the one who brought up propaganda techniques. I'm just pointing out how many of them apply to you.

Hmmmm...you post quotes from communist organizations, link us to propaganda techniques that you employ and make numerous statements with no basis in fact. I'd say you're the one who's getting pretty desperate here.

26 posted on 01/12/2006 10:02:14 AM PST by Mase
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To: Mase
I'm just pointing out how many of them apply to you.

None of them do, but since you mention 'us'
link us to propaganda techniques
# 14. Coordination and # 13. Volume

To: hedgetrimmer; Mase; 1rudeboy; expat_panama; MadIvan
4 posted on 01/11/2006 11:56:10 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (How much for the large slurpee?)


Still never one peep about the constitutionality of the CAFTA, and why its being called into question.
27 posted on 01/12/2006 10:22:01 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: raybbr; Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
*PING*

The FTAA intends to bring every country in the Western Hemisphere under one free-trade umbrella -- possibly to the point of a common currency, the Amero, similar to the European Union’s Euro.

Ah yes...just more proof that Americans are now THIRD Class Citizens in their own Country...made so by the OBL-ers in Business and La Hacienda Blanco in favor of all the Immigrants! It doesn't matter WHAT Americans want, we are being sold out by the Ruling Eeeee-lites!

I just LOVE the idea of the dollar being tied to the peso and all the other worthless coinage from Central America...almost as much as I love giving Corporations unfettered access to a massive slave labor pool!

And again, a nod to raybbr...

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

WAKE UP, AMERICA! We have been SOLD OUT! Take our Country back now at the ballot box (if still possible), or else we'll be doing it in the Streets!


28 posted on 01/12/2006 10:49:35 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: hedgetrimmer
Like building and managing our highway system, as in the trans texas corridor?

God forbid we privatize tollway operation! It's socialism!

The City of Chicago announced it "closed" the concession sale of the Chicago Skyway tollroad this morning after it received $1,830 million by wire transfer. It says a 99-year lease is now in effect giving the Cintra-Macquarie consortium rights to operate the tollway.
Source

OH MY GOD! A consortium of Spaniards and Aussies has taken over a patch of pavement! To the barricades!

29 posted on 01/12/2006 12:27:12 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: A. Pole
Interesting, Costa Rica is the most peaceful, least corrupt country in the area, while El Salvador has history of oligarchical opression and brutal assasinations.

I believe Costa Rica has delayed because of the presidential elections the end of this month or perhaps in February. There is no serious opposition to the agreement in Costa Rica, and the characterization in this article that it has "failed" in Costa Rica is wishful thinking.

30 posted on 01/12/2006 12:36:32 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: hedgetrimmer
When asked if that stipulation means a Central American national could become a local fire chief or police chief in the United States, Stansbury said, "It is possible."

There's nothing that prevents it today or prevented it last year.

Another red herring.

31 posted on 01/12/2006 12:58:45 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: 1rudeboy
OH MY GOD! A consortium of Spaniards and Aussies has taken over a patch of pavement! To the barricades!

Maybe the foreigners can fix the Hillside Strangler?

32 posted on 01/12/2006 1:24:47 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Well, "we" did move it east a few blocks after spending untold millions of dollars. Maybe we should throw a couple billion at it and move it to California.


33 posted on 01/12/2006 1:26:55 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I hope Ryan gets life in prison. First thing he did after he got elected was raise taxes on my alcohol. Corrupt bastard!! At least he should have a few lifer friends in the joint after he commuted their death sentences. Did I mention Ryan is a corrupt bastard?


34 posted on 01/12/2006 1:34:16 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

'Eff him. I interviewed with some yob in Springfield shortly after Blago was elected. I commented that "sometimes, after being such a long time in power, a couple of years in the wilderness will reinvigorate the movement." The response was so banal that I left hoping those fat and lazy bureaucrats that pass for members of the Republican Party in the State of Illinois suffer the same fate as Ceaucescu.


35 posted on 01/12/2006 1:46:22 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I know what you mean.


36 posted on 01/12/2006 1:54:20 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: Dog Gone; A. Pole

Costa Rica, the most-developed of the six nations that have signed the Central American Free Trade Agreement with the U.S., is balking at ratifying the accord.

....The reluctance of Central America's oldest democracy has surprised the White House and undermines one of its chief arguments for the pact: that Cafta represents an urgently sought benefit for the impoverished region. Costa Rica's ambivalence and the long delay before it votes may influence undecided votes in Congress. The ambivalence already has allowed the opposition to the trade pact in Costa Rica to gain momentum.

...Costa Rica, though, is holding out because of mounting opposition by trade unions, some farm groups and even some business leaders who say Cafta's intellectual-property clauses are too invasive.

...Rep. Moran, Republican Rep. Dan Burton of Indiana and other lawmakers last week tried to pressure Costa Rica by warning that Congress would eventually cut off existing trade preferences if Costa Rica's legislature didn't approve the Cafta.

--John Lyons, Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal


37 posted on 01/12/2006 1:57:30 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Itzlzha
"...just more proof that Americans are now THIRD Class Citizens in their own Country...made so by the OBL-ers in Business and La Hacienda Blanco in favor of all the Immigrants! It doesn't matter WHAT Americans want,..."

I am opposed to these alphabet soup trade agreements because I do not trust the federal government to ensure that our national sovereignty is protected and remains secure.

38 posted on 01/12/2006 3:16:11 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Tico Times News of the postponed launch date for the Central American Free-Trade Agreement with the United States (CAFTA) between the signatory countries that have ratified the pact – a group Costa Rica, the lone holdout on ratification, has not yet joined – may be good news for this country's businesses, officials said this week.

Business leaders, however, had varied responses.

At President Abel Pacheco's weekly Cabinet meeting Tuesday, Foreign Trade Vice-Minister Doris Osterlof said the postponement “decelerates a little, not much, the pressure on the Costa Rican productive sectors.” Business leaders here have often expressed fear that when CAFTA takes effect among the United States, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and the Dominican Republic – which was originally scheduled to take place Jan. 1 – Costa Rica will lose ground fast.

Now that the United States has pushed back the start date for the agreement for at least a month because, according to the U.S. Trade Representative, the other signatory countries have not yet made the necessary reforms in their legislation to prepare for CAFTA (an exact date has not been set – see The Nica Times for more details), Costa Rica has a little more time to play catch-up. Osterlof and Pacheco said the Executive Branch is moving ahead at full speed to complete its CAFTA-related obligations well before Pacheco's term ends in May.

“We are working intensely,” Pacheco said. According to Osterlof, Costa Rica has been “participating actively” in a legislative review process that began among all signatory countries shortly after the United States ratified CAFTA in (TT, July 29, 2005). Each country reviewed the reforms it would need to make in order to be eligible for CAFTA. In Costa Rica 's case, the laundry list of changes includes legislation for the gradual opening of the state monopolies on telecommunications, through the Costa Rican Electricity Institute (ICE), and insurance, through the National Insurance Institute (INS).

Costa Rica must also strengthen ICE to prepare it for such competition and tighten its laws governing intellectual property rights, among other changes.

Osterlof said all of these required reforms should be in the hands of the Legislative Assembly by the end of the month. Drafts of the laws to open ICE and INS to competition are ready and “in the process of review,” she said. The law to strengthen ICE is already in the assembly, though little progress has been made.

The Foreign Trade Ministry and the Justice Ministry are working on intellectual property rights reforms and plan to submit them to Pacheco soon, so he can send them to the assembly.

Pacheco submitted the pact to the Legislative Assembly last year (TT, Oct. 21, 2005), and the Foreign Affairs Committee began discussing it in December. This process is on hold because legislators are on vacation until February.

However, as usual, Pacheco said he is not worried about the country taking its time. “Always in my personal life, when I've rushed to make a decision, it's gone badly. When I've taken my time, it's gone well. I believe the lives of countries are similar,” he said.

The officials' comments received mixed reviews from the business community. Lynda Solar, executive director of the Costa Rican-American Chamber of Commerce (AmCham), strongly disagreed with the idea that CAFTA delays elsewhere will help businesses here.

“There's too much work to be done before thinking that this relieves the pressure,” she said. “It appears El Salvador will be logging on within the next month or so… and I don't see that CAFTA will be passed (here) before Jan. 2007.”

Sergio Navas, vice-president of the Chamber of Exporters, took a more moderate approach, and said he expects the pact to be approved within the first half of this year.

“It does give us a breather,” he said of the delay. “But we can't lose perspective.”

39 posted on 01/12/2006 4:12:13 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Allow me to be the first one of many to congratulate observe you on taking the same side as these openly Communist organizations China. Bravo!!

Did you help write the "three represents" for them?
40 posted on 01/12/2006 6:50:00 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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