California high school sued over 'intelligent design' class (Not even Philosphy Class?)

So many lost works from ancient Greece. Arrrgh!

Actually I am amazed at the works that have seemed to just disappear since the 60's.

LIke what?

Who's Tom Wolfe?

America's best writer, IMHO.

Bonfire of the Vanities, The Right Stuff, Radical Chic, A Man in Full, I Am Charlotte Simmons among others.

Aristotle's principals of accounting could be found in most any library when I was young and now I can't find a copy. Its a thin book but covers the basics.

The danger would be actual belief after consideration. Belief would connote that one would actually think themselves the center of the universe (God)

So that's the guy ending up naked in traffic claiming to be Jesus after extrapolating (Solipsism?)to an end-point.

Of the minority there are those who refuse to perceive any inadequacies of themselves and would pursue endeavors such as philosophy and science to become a God that most of which do not believe exists.

Reminds me of Dr. Jed Hill (Alec Baldwin)in "Malice:" "You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I am God." medicine is a science...

Yes. And you could've mentioned Anaximander as well.

But I was thinking along more modern lines of someone like Lamarck. Think how much fun it would be to argue transmutation vs. ID, instead of evolution.

Then we'd be the evil transmutationists. ;)

The parents could have their kids NOT take the course. Or the parents (either group) could go to another school. There could be an end to the government school monopoly. But that can't ever happen in America. Government monopoly schools are there to teach the state religion of secular humanism/socialism. We just couldn't bear it in America if parents actually had to pay out of pocket for their own children's education. It just wouldn't be good for the politicians and bureaucrats who get their hands on that property etc. tax money. Don't want to foster the idea that parents should be responsible for their own damn kids. Not in America. No way

Really, are we all that impressed with the product American public schools have been pumping out since case after case has been decided in favor of the so-called enlightened Left and its found ability to dictate the curriculum though various means? Has the ceding of the agenda to the self-serving, monolithic teachers union,the NEA, which has never, or will ever truly care about our children's education over its own power, done much?. The math and science scores don't indicate MEASURABLE success and a sizable percentage of students leave high school f-n illiterate.

ATTENTION FREEPER DARWIN BRAIN TRUST AND ASSASIN SQUAD Ok, science belongs in the science class, yes. Might have taken a few days, but some of us came around. But it might be time to get back on the conservative reservation when looking at the big picture before you guys develop Stockholm Syndrome and join the ACLU. One Freeper who says intelligent things as a rule created a big bogeyman on another thread when he SELECTIVELY MISPERCEIVED and freaked out over an article just wondering, does the stifling of ID, no matter how convoluted it may be, in other courses and forums outside of science courses, which is now in very predictable play in California kill Intelligent Disussion? (caps author's and just meant as a play on words!) But he goes beserk and attacks the author as an anti-evo fool when there was evidence of no such thing. So, FREeeinds, will you all be able to hold your noses and lend us your support if the ACLU decides some day comparative religion has outlived it's usefulness or some future scrutiny of Phiosophy impies "religion" and "threatens children?" Can you get back on the bigger reservation and consider helping with things such as this:

Illiterate America

By Alan Caruba

web posted February 5, 2001

In October of last year, my friend Jack O'Dwyer ran an article on his website, O'Dwyer's PR Daily, concerning the problems public relations agencies were having with the college graduates they were hiring to begin their careers in that profession.

"About 40 per cent of college grads take no courses in English or American literature and nearly 31 per cent have never taken a math course. More than 56 per cent can't calculate the change from $3 after buying a bowl of soup for 60 cents and a sandwich for $1.95. Many cannot read and understand a simple set of directions." The article referenced "Beer and Circus", a book by English professor Murray Sperber of Indiana University. The book contends that "college kids are being fed a junk diet of alcohol, spectator sports and partying."

Even worse news is that the college school year has shrunk from 210 days to about 160. With parents paying an average $20,000 a year and more to send their children to college, that's an average of $125 a day!

The bottom line is that both the public relations profession and journalism are filled with young people, beginning their professional careers, who haven't a clue about what is newsworthy. They are so ignorant, it is frightening. This does not bode well for the ultimate consumers of news, the public.

This situation reaches into all aspects of life in America and particularly hits small businesses as well as big corporations who hire these college graduates. The small business operators find themselves hiring and firing in a desperate effort to find someone-anyone--who is willing to learn how their company functions and willing to actually do the work. The greatest concerns of today's new hires are about vacation and sick time, plus whatever other perks are being offered.

Training employees is a fulltime process for companies large and small. What makes this difficult is the level of illiteracy among both high school and college graduates (the ability to read, understand, and apply what they have read), coupled with their belief that an employer doesn't really deserve their best efforts.

Literacy is absolutely essential for the success of any society. In America, however, one in five high school graduates cannot read his or her diploma. Fully 85 per cent of unwed mothers are illiterate and 70 per cent of Americans who get arrested are illiterate. An estimated 21 million Americans simply cannot read and the costs of illiteracy are estimated to be $225 billion a year in lost productivity.

According to Empower America, our 12th graders rank 19th out of 21 industrialized countries in mathematics achievement and 16th out of 21 nations in science. Since 1983, more than 10 million Americans have reached the 12th grade without being about to read at a basic level. Over 20 million have reached their senior year unable to do basic math. Almost 25 million have reached 12th grade without knowing the essentials of U.S. history. (And you wonder why 100 million Americans did not bother to vote in the last election or couldn't figure out how to cast a vote?)

By almost any measurement you can name, we have been turning out students at the elementary, middle, high school and college levels who are manifestly unfit to function effectively in society.

If you wanted to sabotage America, you could not find a better way than to have degraded our education system as effectively as the programs promulgated by teachers union in league with those who have been in charge of the federal government's education programs since the 1970's. Across this country, the rising costs for education have driven up the property taxes of millions of Americans with little to show for the investment.

There will be much discussion of the Bush administration initiatives. Serious conservatives have serious reservations about them because, despite President's Bush talk of returning power to the state and local level, they will increase the federal government's control over the curriculums of every school in America

That does not, however, mitigate the need to produce high school and college graduates who are literate, have a knowledge of U.S. history, have basic arithmetic skills, and an understanding of fundamental science. This is critical to the future of this nation.

We cannot keep importing foreigners who are, quite simply, better educated than our fellow citizens. There aren't enough low-level jobs to employ this growing army of illiterate, ignorant, and ill-prepared American graduates.

Alan Caruba writes a weekly commentary, "Warning Signs", posted on the website of The National Anxiety Center. © Alan Caruba, 2001

The recent convoluted interpretation of basic school choice, for pete's sake being unconstitutional with a ruling representing a game of "three-card-monte" is the latest in ,YES, activism. An intellectually honest approach from those we should be counting on as just plain "conservative brothers and sisters" would allow for as much and not lend a hand to the socialist movement.

So enjoy your victory in Dover; don't be so paranoid. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater in a de facto alignment with Left by not supporting other Conservatives too in safeguarding the arena for the discussion of ideas. in the other classes you agreed were more appropriate. I think science classes are safe. I have appreciated the Freepers with vast scientific knowledge and patience helping me to understand what their real concern was (while also learning some things) while I waxed sometimes painfully philosophical. That is the beauty of discourse and the dialectic.

Lastly, some of us aren't here to hang out exclusively on threads relating to our own field of knowledge, just there to swoop down and feast on "fellow conservatives" (don't see some of you on any of the other conservative issue threads) in cannibalistic bombast and ad hominem arguments that must serve only to make you feel better in some way.

"Can't we all just get along?"-R. King

Have they not ever heard the term "forbidden fruit"?

Your point is well made, and I have often wondered what they hope to gain by putting so much light and heat upon 'irrational' teaching...