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U.S. Trade Representative Reviews Progress on Free Trade Goals
U.S. Department of State's Bureau of International Information Programs ^ | 08 Jan 2006 | Ambassador Rob Portman

Posted on 01/10/2006 7:43:06 AM PST by hedgetrimmer

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To: hedgetrimmer
Some of the US's biggest 'trading partners' thanks to the WTO and the fraudulently named "free trade

Here is a list of the US's major trading partners, as provided by the Heritage Foundation -

Canada 23.2%
Mexico 13.5%
Japan 6.6%
UK 4.4%
China 4.2%
Germany 3.8%

Note no India, Burma, Vietnam or Dominician Republic. And again, you're confusing low wages with slavery.

Of course, you protectionist nuts will even say you can't compete with Canada. Pat Buchanan said so in his "Family Farm Bill of Rights" speech when he got worked up about cheap Canadian food. So we'll treat your statement about slavery as what it is - a red herring, and a lame excuse.

Ivan

141 posted on 01/12/2006 8:08:24 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Oh actually, I posted the wrong list - here is the major import trading partners -

Canada 17.4%, China 13.4%, Mexico 10.6%, Japan 8.8%

Same point applies.

Ivan
142 posted on 01/12/2006 8:10:19 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: garandgal
We are talking about a rather low-debt, multi-million dollar operation, paying a couple of $20,000 per year salaries to two owners working 80 hrs/week (would YOU do that?). After figuring all input costs, and using a price for our grain that is completely manipulated by a system that should have been scrapped once everyone had phones, let alone the internet (the Board of Trade); we had a whopping 2% net profit! Whoo-hoo!

Not knowing more detail than what you've provided I'd say that, under these circumstances, your company should absolutely exit the industry and allow the larger and more efficient operators to fill the void. The fact is, agriculture today is dominated by large co-op's with tremendous efficiencies. We've had to do this to remain competitive. Unfortunately, the welfare you defend is used by these co-op's to undercut small and medium sized producers and, eventually, drive them out of business or buy their operations.

the every day farmer; who, unlike other businesses, has minimal control over the prices paid for product, absolutely no ability to pass along increased input costs to the buyer

Please, the plight of the poor farmer is hardly going to earn any sympathy when the average family farm has a household income 17% higher than the national average and a cost of living that is 10%-40% lower than urban areas. Farms fail at only one-sixth the rate of non-farm businesses, and only 4.5 percent of farms have enough debt to be considered vulnerable to bankruptcy.

I guess it's easier to blame others though, isn't it?

..all while watching the "value-added" purchasers of his product raking in the millions...do get back to me.

So, you're in the food business. So am I. Maybe you can show me which of these value added food manufacturers makes extraordinary profits and exactly what those margins are. I ask because it's well known that the American food industry is highly competitive and generates lower, yet consistent, margins when compared to other industries. When comparing net revenue as a percentage of sales for all industries, food manufacturers rank well below the national average. Food retailing and distribution are even lower. So, who's making all those obscene profits?

please do tell which "crops" Americans are supposed to focus on...

If the government would just get out of the way and stop interfering, the markets would sort this question out in very short order.

143 posted on 01/12/2006 8:21:19 AM PST by Mase
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To: MadIvan
And again, you're confusing low wages with slavery.

No, I'm not.

SLAVE LABOR ALLEGED ON BRAZILIAN RANCHES
Beef from rain forest areas of Brazil that have been cleared by slave labor has a fair chance of turning up in United Kingdom’s catering outlets and discount stores, according to the U.K.’s National Beef Association.
Myanmar Back on U.N. Agenda
But diplomats said the United States and Britain argued in the closed-door meeting that conditions within the country destabilized the region, as refugees, drugs and slave labor flowed across its borders
US to give more teeth to human trafficking laws
Topping the US State Department human trafficking blacklist are Ecuador, Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Cambodia, Kuwait, Cuba and North Korea.
Among nations in the second tier of a "watch list" are Mexico, South Africa, Bahrain, the Philippines, Russia, India, Zimbabwe and China.
We want to get everyone thinking protection, prosecution and prevention -- all of these are mutually reinforcing obviously but the more we do that, I think the better we stop this modern day slavery," Republican legislator Chris Smith, the author of the bill
144 posted on 01/12/2006 8:23:39 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

Brazil and Burma don't figure as the major import trading partners of the United States. As the example I pointed out shows, the slavery issue you bring up is a red herring - you people don't even like imports from Canada if it doesn't suit you.

Ivan


145 posted on 01/12/2006 8:26:36 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan

I said SOME of the biggest "trading partners",and included concrete examples of countries using slave labor and human trafficking.

And even if some of these "trading partners" are not the biggest, a society with an abhorrance to slavery should not trade with them. But the WTO says we must or we will be violating their rules.

Trying to diminish the fact that globally,slavery is on the rise due to the fraudulently named "free trade" system won't fly.


146 posted on 01/12/2006 8:37:32 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
But the WTO says we must or we will be violating their rules.

This is actually what has been agreed.

It doesn't eliminate protectionism - it caps tariffs at certain levels, and turns agricultural quotas to tariffs.

Trying to diminish the fact that globally,slavery is on the rise due to the fraudulently named "free trade" system won't fly.

None of the articles you posted say that free trade has led to an increase in slavery. The nation that first proposed free trade, namely Britain, was also one of the first to eliminate it, and actively work to destroy it with the Royal Navy.

Ivan

147 posted on 01/12/2006 8:45:17 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Have you told your wife about me yet?

Yes. She agrees that mental illness is a terrible thing and we are both praying you make a full and rapid recovery.

148 posted on 01/12/2006 9:19:08 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: MadIvan
It doesn't eliminate protectionism

Well then, it isn't really free trade, is it. Yet the "free traders" are very happy to promote the myth that it is.
149 posted on 01/12/2006 10:36:13 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Well then, it isn't really free trade, is it. Yet the "free traders" are very happy to promote the myth that it is.

The words "psycho nutbag" spring to mind when it comes to you. I never said we'd achieved free trade. The process of taking barriers down is continuing. People like you stand in the way, in fact, you want to throw this in reverse. For reasons which I've posted, this is an extremely stupid and damaging point of view.

Ivan

150 posted on 01/12/2006 11:53:08 AM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan
The words "psycho nutbag" spring to mind when it comes to you. For the reasons which I'VE posted, yours is an extremely stupid and damaging point of view.

The American Revolution was fought to rid our country of British "free trade". Get over it.
151 posted on 01/12/2006 12:04:57 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: MadIvan
Coming out of Hong Kong, the importance of the rules-based multilateral trading system ...were reaffirmed.

And just how stupid and damaging is "multilateral trading"? It forces us to trade with countries that have nothing to offer except communism and slavery.
152 posted on 01/12/2006 12:08:21 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
The American Revolution was fought to rid our country of British "free trade".

OK, now I'm laughing at you. The American Revolution was fought over an important point - due to the costs of the Seven Years War, in which the British kicked the French out of North America and India, the British government demanded the American colonies pay taxes to pay off the debt associated with that war. If we had asked rather than demanded, it is likely that the United States would be British still. Instead, that provoked the saying, "No taxation without representation" - i.e., the Americans were not going to pay taxes to a body in which they had no say, namely Parliament.

Nothing to do with free trade. It was an important point of principle, regarding representative government and taxation. Your psychotic nonsense only serves to distract from a very important historical lesson. I hope your fellow Americans learn what an utter fruitcake you are by you erroneous interpretation.

Ivan

153 posted on 01/12/2006 12:09:13 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer
And just how stupid and damaging is "multilateral trading"? It forces us to trade with countries that have nothing to offer except communism and slavery.

If you seriously think China is communist these days, you haven't heard of Deng Xioping's maxim, "To get rich is glorious". Secondly, as for the slavery - you have totally failed to prove a direct link between free trade and slavery. In fact, let's put it this way - if countries cannot participate in the world trading system, are marginalised and poor, they are more likely to have slavery or extremist governments: countries with outright slavery like Niger and Mauritania have no economy and little trade to speak of. Countries with truly operating communism like North Korea have policies you would like - Kim Il-Sung committed them to a policy called "juche", which means "self-reliance". They shut out the world. And look where it got them.

Ivan

154 posted on 01/12/2006 12:13:16 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan; hedgetrimmer
I hope your fellow Americans learn what an utter fruitcake you are by you erroneous interpretation.

We knew, based upon her previous erroneous interpretations. It's nice to know how her ignorance is recognized around the world.

155 posted on 01/12/2006 1:52:42 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: MadIvan
``...|Free trade may be suitable to Great Britain and its peculiar social and political structure, but it has no place in this republic, where classes are unknown, and where caste has long since been banished; where equality is a rule; where labor is dignified and honorable; where education and improvement are the individual striving of every citizen, no matter what may be the accident of his birth, or the poverty of his early surroundings. Here the mechanic of today is the manufacturer of a few years hence. Under such conditions, free trade can have no abiding place here." --President William McKinley
156 posted on 01/12/2006 1:52:54 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Under such conditions, free trade can have no abiding place here." --President William McKinley

Didn't the WTO whack him for saying that? LOL!!!

where education and improvement are the individual striving of every citizen

It's like McKinley is talking to you from the grave.

157 posted on 01/12/2006 1:56:32 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Stop associating with Commies and we'll stop mentioning that you associate with Commies.)
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To: MadIvan

Why don't you explain to us what "multilateral trade" is.

AS for "free trade" link to slavery? When did the American people lose their right to NOT trade with a nation that engages in slavery? When the WTO was created.


158 posted on 01/12/2006 2:53:04 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Why don't you explain to us what "multilateral trade" is.

If you don't know what it is, then you're not fit to comment on it.

AS for "free trade" link to slavery? When did the American people lose their right to NOT trade with a nation that engages in slavery? When the WTO was created.

I see you're one of those people who believe that economic sanctions actually work. So you're over there with the Democrats thinking we should have given sanctions on Iraq more time.

Do keep talking. We now know that you'll attach yourself to any outrageous proposition to avoid admitting your complete, total and utter ignorance.

Ivan

159 posted on 01/12/2006 2:58:27 PM PST by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: hedgetrimmer; Badray; smokeyb
At what price? From the article:

"In addition, nations reinforced their commitment to development with significant new pledges of so-called aid for trade. This will help create the legal, administrative and physical infrastructures needed to help developing countries participate fully in the market openings we hope to achieve in the Doha Round. The United States is proud to lead the world in providing such assistance, and as part of the Doha Round, we announced a doubling of our contributions over the next five years from the current level of roughly $1.3 billion a year to $2.7 billion annually."

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!

Tricky Ricky Ping.
160 posted on 01/12/2006 3:05:14 PM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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