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Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal ^ | 1006 | Chris Mooney

[highball]

And I don't think Islamists care about Darwinism, at all.

You are incorrect.

Hard-line Islamists are among the most rabid Creationists on this planet.

[Mamzelle]

Well, tell it to your Mooney friend--maybe he'll figure out where the real war is.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"You like to put "Christian" clothing on many people, I thought maybe there was a reason, and perhaps that you were a Christian. "

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school for 13 years (K-12). My entire family is Christian. They all believe that evolution happened, and they also believe in God and Jesus. They have not closed their eyes to the physical Creation in order to hold to a certain interpretation of the written Word. I don't hold the same beliefs they do, though I do suspect that there was a Creator of the universe of some sort. I really have no evidence for it; it's a gut feeling and not in any way a scientific one. I have already told you that before though, so you already knew I was not a believing Christian.

"It is not a new thing to put a Christian name on systems that teach against Christ, but there has always been a need to elevate the numbers."

YOU don't get to wave off the physical Creation because it doesn't fit with your interpretations of the Bible. YOU don't get to decide who is or isn't a Christian. You might find out that you have been worshiping the wrong Christ if you do. You presume too much.

[Just mythoughts]

"Hard-line Islamists are among the most rabid Creationists on this planet."


Nothing conservative about this proclamation.

[highball]

"Hard-line Islamists are among the most rabid Creationists on this planet."

Nothing conservative about this proclamation.

What do you mean? It's the truth, isn't it?

I was responding to a post that claimed Islamists didn't "care about Darwinism", which is false - they want evolution destroyed.

So what's your point?

[Just mythoughts]

"YOU don't get to wave off the physical Creation because it doesn't fit with your interpretations of the Bible. YOU don't get to decide who is or isn't a Christian. You might find out that you have been worshiping the wrong Christ if you do. You presume too much."

I married into a Catholic family, so I have a bit of first hand observation of what you are talking about.

I was raised with the deception this earth was a 'young earth' that all peoples came from just two created flesh beings. Guess what the Bible says NO such thing.

Now Christ said I have foretold you ALL things, well either He is who He claimed to be or the whole thing is a fraud, so I decided to take a look see for myself.

Now those who claim that all flesh beings came from only two human beings are themselves participating in a form of evolution. Scientifically it is not possible and there is no such miracle described anywhere within the Bible.

[Just mythoughts]

Based upon what, gives you the idea that Islamists are creationists?

I have yet to hear a Moooolah even mention evolution or to seek its destruction.

[highball]

Well, tell it to your Mooney friend--maybe he'll figure out where the real war is.

The war between ignorance and knowledge is an old one, and comes in many forms.

The most extreme version of it is found in the War on Terror - the struggle between barbarism and civilization. Islamists want to impose their religion on the world by force.

Another is in the struggle to prevent some religious nuts from imposing their PC on science classes. Less immediately dangerous, of course. But still dangerous in its own way to our way of life.

I'm not trying to say that the inane Dover school board members are as bad as Islamofascists. Far from it. But you first brought up Islamists, and if you're going to sling that mud you have to recognize that they're closer to your side of this equation.

[Mamzelle]

re: Far from it. But you first brought up Islamists, and if you're going to sling that mud you have to recognize that they're closer to your side of this equation)))

Your ridiculous insult is duly noted. Now report back to GM for your treat and ear-scratching.

[Right Wing Professor]

Which one! LOL!

Guccione's gas and lube.

[highball]

Once again, when called on your factual errors you try to change the subject.

No shame in admitting you are wrong. Happens to all of us at some point - we all make mistakes. The real problem is when you refuse to admit a mistake, insult other posters who catch you in those errors and thereby compound your foolishness.

[Mamzelle]

Excuse me, I thought Malmo was in Norway. Frankly, I often confuse Norway and Sweden. You may find that frequently in Americans.

Your US English is just plain remarkable. I even threw in some slangy stuff to see what would happen. I hear (well, internet "hear") something of the South and wonder about your teachers--! I have a side interest in linguistics.

So, do you also like what Mooney has to say about global warming? His being a scientist, and all.

[js1138]

Where is their willingness to account for the results of their untouchable supremely protected doctrine? We have a history of walling out the Creator in the public school system that can be observed and tested, the results are nothing to be cheering about.

I would appreciate you going back through history and pointing out when, where and how people behaved better under theocracies. I'm not being snide. I would really like to know if there was an era when people were without sin, or at least nicer to each other.

Perhaps I'm just ignorant about this, but it appears to me that theocracies, including the current Islamic ones, all have a similar look and feel -- Potemkin villages of public piety masking brutal and repressive governments, presiding over squalor.

[MHalblaub]

"Yes I have seen the evolutionists Creator, that Spaghetti Monster."

You really have seen the Flying Spaghetti Monster!? RAMAN!!!
Are you one of the few enlightened?

BTW, the FSM is one of the many possible intelligent designers and not somehow related to evolution.

The problem most 'Christians' have with evolution is evolution has no need for a creator. Evolution is the creator.

[Mamzelle]

This canard of "theocracy" is also a talking point of Democrats--an expression of disdain and distaste for one's religious allies in conservative politics. Allies are good things. Allies help win elections. Sometimes, we have to accommodate allies we don't love 100% to get the job done. But what if you don't want the job done?

Do you want the GOP to be without some allies, maybe do a little losing? How would that serve your interests?

Why do fr-evos sound so much like they've been spending time in the DNC War Room?

[js1138]

I don't know what you are talking about. You don't find me on threads threatening to bolt from the Republicans because W isn't conservative enough. That's the game of the superconservatives.

What you find here is sadness that people are splitting the party by making a litmus test of specific interpretation of the Bible -- an interpretation endorsed by perhaps 20 percent of Christian churches.

[Mamzelle]

re: I reckon)))

This is from the east coast Mountains. It's often associated with the US Mountainous South, but is also found upwards into New England (the old-fashioned remnant of Yankee America, largely Scots and Presbyterian). Hardly hills at all, much less mountains--but you don't hear it from Californians. You've used it a few times.

You write rapidly with this command. Can you also listen and speak with the same fluidity? When learning a language, I would discover that I could read, write, and speak, and could never master the "listening"--the apprehending ear.

Mooney's views on global warming are predictably shallow and serve only the political interest of attempting to throw the US on the disadvantage. I notice much of Kyoto has "backed off"--did the world really think that the US would sign over sovereignty so easily?

[RadioAstronomer]

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