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Townhall.com ^ | 1/5/06 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 01/08/2006 7:36:18 PM PST by paltz

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1 posted on 01/08/2006 7:36:19 PM PST by paltz
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To: paltz
It's the same crew that whines about urban sprawl, and then whines about "soulless" suburbs or "alienating" urban apartments. The same people that complain about white flight will just as quickly denounce gentrification.

These "problems" are mutually exclusive results of any policy that will ever get implemented with regards to zoning laws, and the left doesn't get called out on the contradiction. The result? Problems forever, victims forever. A ready-made leftist constituency no matter what the realities on the ground are.

2 posted on 01/08/2006 7:42:39 PM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: paltz

Location. Location. Location.


3 posted on 01/08/2006 7:43:58 PM PST by Alouette (Neocon Zionist Media Operative)
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To: paltz

Placer County has aggressively been buying up land under a program called "Placer Legacy" and if you do some research you will find that home prices here are going into orbit.

Kids grow up and are forced to move because they can't afford to live where their parents raised them.


4 posted on 01/08/2006 8:00:36 PM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Gordongekko909

I can tell you that the situation described in this article is EXACTLY the case in Boulder County, CO where I live. The looney lefties in the city of Boulder control the county government, and have instituted a "Land Use Code" that has made land to build on almost unobtainable, and the regulations that must be met to build a home almost unaffordable.

The net results are that the lower income and minority populations have been driven out and only trust babies, the wealthy, or those that have lived here forever and own their homes outright now remain. Yet these same lefties wring their hands and bemoan the plight of the "less fortunate". What hypocrites!


5 posted on 01/08/2006 8:03:39 PM PST by Laserman
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To: paltz
Here's the liberals' schedule:

Monday: Protest to stop a developer from building new housing.

Tuesday: Protest against the lack of affordable housing.

6 posted on 01/08/2006 8:05:36 PM PST by grundle
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To: paltz
Despite the old rule of thumb that housing should cost no more than one fourth of your income, there are parts of California where tenants and new home buyers pay at least half their incomes for housing.

This is a dumb argument. If I earn $40K in Iowa and spend $10K on housing, I have $30K left to spend on food, clothing, transportation, and entertainment. If I earn $80K in California and spend $40K on housing, I have $40K left to spend on food, clothing, transportation, and entertainment. The fallacy of the argument lies in the fact that food, clothing, transportation, and entertainment costs about the same in Iowa as in California.

7 posted on 01/08/2006 8:08:42 PM PST by Always Right
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To: paltz

One great thing about this situation and going into healthcare: the money is better in rural areas. Earning potential is greater in rural Colorado or southwest Virginia than Manhattan.

Judging from what I've heard from others, it's far easier to envision setting up a practice in a more rural mountain setting, earning my income while living in a larger home with more land, far more easily affording the opportunity to do charity work, and then buying that place in Hawaii and calling it quits.

I can dream, right? Ha!


8 posted on 01/08/2006 8:09:09 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: grundle
Monday: Protest to stop a developer from building new housing. Tuesday: Protest against the lack of affordable housing.

Yep. Then on Wed protest cutting down trees, then go home to their house constructed of wood.

9 posted on 01/08/2006 8:10:45 PM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right; grundle
Then on Wed protest cutting down trees, then go home to their house constructed of wood.

Protest against gas-guzzling SUVs on Thursday.

Friday, drop off the Lincoln Navigator for servicing...

10 posted on 01/08/2006 8:22:45 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Always Right

You forgot taxes. Out of 40K in Iowa you'd have 33K left from which to spend your 10K. Out of 80K in CA you'd have left about 63K, from which to spend your 40. In both cases you are left with the same 23K for other needs, but 23K goes further in IA than in CA [gas prices, mundane costs like parking fees and the like].


11 posted on 01/08/2006 8:25:36 PM PST by GSlob
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But the whole point of living in high-cost areas is to make a very large income indeed.

It is only in a few very small areas that there are many jobs and professions that pay over $200K a year. People with high skills go to those areas, and don't care how much they pay for housing.


12 posted on 01/08/2006 8:32:43 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Laserman

Hypocrisy is a very important trait of Liberals. Do you notice that the most expensive places in the country are mostly populated by liberals? Those liberals who tell us all the time how they care so much about middle class and poor Americans.


13 posted on 01/08/2006 8:34:09 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: paltz
Some of the biggest crocodile tears about a need to "preserve farmland" come from people who are not farmers, and who know little and care less about farming...and conveniently forget that where they live now probably was originally good farmland and pristine woodlands which some contractor bulldozed up to construct roads, community centers, and the homes where the complainers live......
14 posted on 01/08/2006 8:39:38 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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Dr. Sowell is correct in what he says, but the analysis ignores another major reason for the higher prices in some areas. This is that more people want to live there because they are beautiful or are more desirable for other reasons.

Even in an unrestricted real estate market, San Francisco only has so much room. If more people would like to live there than there is room for, they will bid for the available housing and the price will go up.

There is only so much coastline. Even if it were all available to be built on, the strictly limited supply ensures high prices for a limited "good."


15 posted on 01/08/2006 8:40:18 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Paloma_55
Kids grow up and are forced to move because they can't afford to live where their parents raised them.

Good, they shouldn't keep living with the parents after they grow up anyway.

16 posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:30 PM PST by CJ Wolf (BTW can someone add 'zot' to the FR spellchecker?)
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To: Always Right

What is the median income for CA? Expenses do indeed vary. California fuel prices are higher and taxes are higher. You are right that maybe the rule of thumb is not a good one but if you are buying a car and sending kids to college having half your income go for housing is going to leave you with little for anything else. I always suspect someone of being one of those "making a killing in the housing market" when they so glibly disregard real world issues with "you can always quit smoking and drinking or save money by cutting back on your entertainment" and then suddenly your housing woes will disappear. Yes, oh yes, that is so Christian an attitude, never any responsibility for fleecing your neighbor, it only matters when the government does the fleecing.

Most people don't live in the 80k range. The median income in California does not exceed 60k, furthermore today people get considerably less for their money where as in the past it took one wage earner to purchase a house now two wage earners are required to pay the same mortgage and people make considerably less in inflation adjusted dollars. Even if you go by $ per square foot (people are buying bigger houses) people are getting less real value per dollar for their money.

It is clear that a combination of government and corporate collusion has made it more costly to purchase a house in America and still maintain the same quality of life for our children and families. Banks are making a killing on the foreclosure merrygoround in this market. It is a pretty good deal, take a few years of payments, get the house back, and sell it again to some poor fool who can't afford it. It is some racket, would make most bookies proud.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/statemedfaminc.html
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/12/29/175142/70
http://www.realestateabc.com/homeguide/reo.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/29/AR2005052900972.html
http://www.census.gov/apsd/www/statbrief/sb93_3.pdf


17 posted on 01/08/2006 8:55:48 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm
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The poshest possible area would still need a "servant" class - its garbage collectors, auto mechanics [used to be farriers in times past], the staff of its schools and kindergartens, supermarket cashiers and the like. The size of this "class" is necessarily greater than the numbers of highly paid people consuming their services. Since their jobs are NOT high-paying, they would not put up with the long commutes, and will have to be accommodated somewhere in the vicinity. And the masters stopped housing their servants in servant quarters ages ago.
18 posted on 01/08/2006 8:57:13 PM PST by GSlob
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To: paltz

I agree with Sowell's thinking but wonder about his numbers.

5% of US land is not urban, and cities do not cover 1/3 as much land as forests. Both figures are absurd.

Not to get all tin foil, but I wonder if his original figures have been edited?


19 posted on 01/08/2006 9:24:33 PM PST by izzy
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To: paltz; doug from upland

Same hypocrisy as the "environmentalists" (Bobby Kennedy Jr., Algore, Hufington) who demand more renewables and hybrid cars before they go off to protest a proposed wind farm near their Nantucket mansions, or drive off in their SUVs (or his wife's SUV in Kerry's case).


20 posted on 01/08/2006 11:06:24 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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