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Christian Fundamentalism Drives American Extremism [They do suicide bombasts]
Arab News ^ | 1-8-06 | Ray Hanania

Posted on 01/08/2006 7:58:18 AM PST by SJackson

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To: peyton randolph
"Would you like to discuss the issues? Where shall we start? The gnostic gospels? The Council of Nicea? The Crusades? Torquemada? Tetzel, Luther, and the Protestant Reformation? Justification by faith. Once saved, always saved? ID v. evolution? Speaking in tongues?"

Let's make it real simple for you;

Define "Christian Fundamentalism."

21 posted on 01/08/2006 8:34:22 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: SJackson

**Ray Hanania is an award winning Palestinian American**

Bless his heart, he won an award!


22 posted on 01/08/2006 8:36:02 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: peyton randolph
Yes, I do. Would you like to discuss the issues? Where shall we start? The gnostic gospels? The Council of Nicea? The Crusades? Torquemada? Tetzel, Luther, and the Protestant Reformation? Justification by faith. Once saved, always saved? ID v. evolution? Speaking in tongues?

Start with "snake handling".

23 posted on 01/08/2006 8:36:15 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: highlander_UW
This guy's total lack of comprehension regarding Christianity is breathtaking....

I'd speculate there's more than that at work.

Without getting into interdenominal issues, he's a Christian, living in the US where he likely has contact with numerous Christians. It's not that he's ignorant, he simply doesn't like evangelicals. As to comment was addressed regarding Sharon, not all Jews, that's of course true. And I doubt Pat speaks for all evangelicals. Condemning the many based on the actions of a few, in this case one, is taught early on in bigotry 101.

I've read his columns before, they're carried in YNet, an Israeli paper, even posted them here on occasion. They're usually political satire, with a left wing, mildly anti-Israel bias you'd expect in a left wing paper. He seems to have left his humor at home here, and let his feelings come through. Clearly evangelicals support Israel, and from the palestinian perspective the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

24 posted on 01/08/2006 8:36:24 AM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: F16Fighter; peyton randolph

Knock it off.


25 posted on 01/08/2006 8:36:42 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: SJackson

I certainly disagree with Pat Robertson on his statement. He has the right to make it, of course, but, as we'll be seeing, his statement will be taken up by the mutual enemies of the USA and Israel and used against both.

It is a shame that Rev. Robertson cannot keep his trap closed, at least part of the time. He has done this sort of thing before. At least twice, President Bush has felt it necessary to rebuke him and make it clear that Robertson's attitudes are not those of the USA.

Let Pat preach the gospel, and leave international politics alone. He'd be better off.


26 posted on 01/08/2006 8:37:00 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: SJackson
I'd speculate there's more than that at work.

I did consider the possibility that there was more at work, but since I haven't read anything of this guy's beyond this article, so I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just an idiot.

Without getting into interdenominal issues, he's a Christian, living in the US where he likely has contact with numerous Christians. It's not that he's ignorant, he simply doesn't like evangelicals.

I wonder if he really is a Christian...I don't see any evidence of it in his article...and one could argue there is evidence to the contrary.

As to comment was addressed regarding Sharon, not all Jews, that's of course true. And I doubt Pat speaks for all evangelicals. Condemning the many based on the actions of a few, in this case one, is taught early on in bigotry 101.

You are correct on both accounts. Robertson does not speak for all Evangelicals and this author's style comes straight from bigotry 101.

I've read his columns before, they're carried in YNet, an Israeli paper, even posted them here on occasion. They're usually political satire, with a left wing, mildly anti-Israel bias you'd expect in a left wing paper. He seems to have left his humor at home here, and let his feelings come through.

I think you hit the nail on the head here...he seems to have wandered too closly to writing about the object of his own bigotry and lost his humor because of that.

Clearly evangelicals support Israel, and from the palestinian perspective the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

So he's projecting his own anti-semitism upon others. Pretty typical of all bigots, regardless of political leanings...actually.

The papers that carry this guy's writings are not getting their money's worth..unless they're paying him less than a penny a word.

27 posted on 01/08/2006 8:45:10 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: MineralMan

I disagree with him, but the actual statement struck me as in context for a sermon to a religious congregation. He didn't come out and say "G-d killed Rabin and he's going to kill Sharon". Still he's has nurtured a public personna, and should know how statements like this will be reported. He may enjoy the noteriety. As to the White House, they shouldn't be issuing statements.


28 posted on 01/08/2006 8:48:23 AM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: SJackson

"As to the White House, they shouldn't be issuing statements.
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Actually, the White House had to make such a statement. When a US public figure, like Robertson, makes statements that run counter to US policy, the White House needs to make it clear that those statements do not represent US policy.

If no statement is made, Robertson's statements may be used as propaganda point to the idea that the US officially agrees with Roberson.

I'm sure that Bush dislikes squelching Robertson, but I don't see that he had any alternative.


29 posted on 01/08/2006 8:52:29 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: F16Fighter

Christian fundamentalism is based on the following five fundamentals:

1. The Bible is factually and literally accurate.
2. Jesus was born of a virgin and is the son of God.
3. Atonement for sins is through God's grace (made possible by Jesus' death on the cross).
4. Jesus was resurrected.
5a. Jesus performed real miracles, or
5b. Jesus is coming again (many believed it would occur before the end of the second millenium).

There is a wide variety of secondary issues that distinguish fundamentalist churches from each other. The MSM incorrectly lumps in evangelicals and Pentecostals with fundamentalists. This is inaccurate. Although there are overlapping beliefs, Pentecostals and evangelicals are not fundamentalists.

I'm through with you. If you want an education, read books on the subject.


30 posted on 01/08/2006 9:01:38 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Replied to F16 before seeing your post. Will post no more on the subject.


31 posted on 01/08/2006 9:06:46 AM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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Hating Jews is not Christian....not to mention non-sensical given that Messiah comes out of Bethlehem in the line of David.

Now, as to Robertson - the man is going senile and his friends need to approach him about retirement and withdrawing from making public statements.

32 posted on 01/08/2006 9:14:56 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: peyton randolph; F16Fighter
him to F16 fighter--For Jesus Christ being # 1 in your book (per profile), you certainly do a great job bearing false witness on this thread.

I've heard of bearing fruit and children, but bearing false witnesses must be a pretty painful process:).

33 posted on 01/08/2006 9:16:21 AM PST by moog
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Imagine, Israelis are outraged with the anti-Semitic comments of their frequent ally, Christian fundamentalist Pat Robertson.

I see. So being critical of a Jewish politician for not doing a good job of looking out for Jewish interests is now "anti-Semitism". Wonderful

34 posted on 01/08/2006 9:17:52 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: just a dude
"..true Christians believe in preserving Israel at all costs"

All prudent, freedom-loving Americans will want to protect the only semblance of a democracy in the middle-east at this time, the tiny State of Israel. I certainly do.

On the other hand, you arrogantly presume to take God's powers to yourself and make the absurd claim that you have a test you use to determine the difference between the sheep and the goats; the wheat and the tares.

You, like Robertson, embarrass yourselves.

You have been taught by biblically illiterate dupes and/or grifters to believe one of the variations of what Cerinthus taught.

35 posted on 01/08/2006 9:17:54 AM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: F16Fighter; peyton randolph

Fundamentals are entertaining learning games designed to help memorize concepts of learning.


36 posted on 01/08/2006 9:29:41 AM PST by moog
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That's actually pretty common on religion threads. I've seen MUCH, MUCH worse than this.


37 posted on 01/08/2006 9:31:15 AM PST by moog
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To: Matchett-PI
Not implying a test. Most everything here is opinion-based anyway.

Let me rephrase that:

In my opinion, it is fundamental to Christianity to preserve Israel. Not only the state, but the extended Church as well.

As for grifters, I know one when I see/hear one.

38 posted on 01/08/2006 9:36:38 AM PST by just a dude
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To: peyton randolph

Oops my bad.


39 posted on 01/08/2006 9:37:07 AM PST by moog
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To: MineralMan
"Let Pat preach the gospel..."

That would be great if he didn't confuse the notes Scofield put in his bible with "the gospel".

40 posted on 01/08/2006 9:41:28 AM PST by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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