Posted on 01/07/2006 3:38:26 PM PST by jb6
"Sixty-five years ago, between seven and twelve million Ukrainians were systematically and deliberately starved to death in Ukraine, the "Bread Basket of Europe". "
If Putie catches you quoting this again, he is going to put you in a special room with all the market price gas you could want.
"But the MILITARY losses of ukranians lesser then russian "
You get an "A" for effort but a "F" in history.
Sorry - I just report the facts
http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-29.html
They were starved and they were starved by a Georgian dictator implementing the communist economic plans of a Tatar, a German, a Turk, and you guessed it a UKRANIAN!
Further they were not starved BECAUSE they were Ukranian but because they REFUSED TO CONVERT TO COMMUNISM.
Now then which state recently said it will sell all it's stake in the 30% state owned gas company and which one just confiscated the formerly public gas company and integrated it into the ministry of energy?
Oh! It was RUSSIA who is further privatizing the ALREADY MOSTLY PRIVATE gas company and it was UKRAINE who CEASED PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR THE STATE.
Why? Because Yushchenko is a Socialist! Basically an elitest-communist.
Comparing the Russian Federation Army statistics to the Soviet Union statistics is a bit like counting the number of American deaths in the revolution to determine the number of British losses.
"Comparing the Russian Federation Army statistics to the Soviet Union statistics is a bit like counting the number of American deaths in the revolution to determine the number of British losses."
Do you realize you betray absolutely no knowledge of statistics?
"They were starved and they were starved by a Georgian dictator implementing the communist economic plans of a Tatar, a German, a Turk, and you guessed it a UKRANIAN! "
Of course - those Ukrainians are always off trying to kill themselves - just like Yushchenko tried to poison himself.
BWAHAAHAHAHA
"Infoukes" is nonrelaiable source. They cited th ebook of Gareev but this book don't have the divisions in losses of any ethnic groups. So how they divided them by ethnicity is on comscience of Ifoukes authors.
For you spanalot Ifoukes is goddly truth. For me- just one source of canadian-ukranian ethnic propaganda.
For example.
If you look on "history" page then see the headers like "Pre-Kyivska-Rus/Ukraine" or "Kyivska-Rus/Ukraine". Everyone who knows ancient russian language knows that the term "Ukraine" means the border land and in times of Kiev Rus the "ukraine" of it or "forest ukraine" was called the Vladimir-Suzdal duchery. Which was pre-ansestor of Moscow' Rus.
So the "ukraine" of Kiev Rus was later Moscow' Rus. SO in time of Kiev Rus the lands around Kiev was called not "ukarine" but the "nearest Rus" or "mallaya Rus". Th eword "mallaya" in ancient russian means "nearest" or "central" not "small"!
Later when those lands around Kiev was occupied by Poland she dubbed them thier polish "ukraine".
That name lived on with help of new "ukranian" nationalists. So the later that name become the name of thier state "Ukraine".
Infoukes are very poor source of historical facts. But probably the great source of propaganda for ignorant people.
Spanalot the propaganda is propaganda. Means it is just deceiveing your people. You may have the temporary success but later your propaganda come after you.
Your people will start to suspect you lying even if you tell them what time is it.
You may deceive for long the ignorant uneducated peasants but educated ukranian publics will laugh on you.
Dear Freepers,
Behold the heartbreak of Soviet FootinMouth Syndrome. Won't you donate today so that little RusIvan and others will not fall victim to this dreaded disease.
Spanalot it got your problem. It seems that you don't know neither slavic language moreover the decendants of ancient russian. Other wise what I said wouldn't be the revelation for you.
I don't know where you were teached but everyone who know at least one decendant language from ancient russian: the modern russian, modern ukranian or bellorussian knew that "ukraine" means the border land or the far laying land.
If you kno wthat Russia today has few "ukraines": Kranodar krai (Krasnodar ukraine), Stavropol krai (Stavropol ukraine), Krasnoyarsk krai (Krasnoyark ukraine), Altai krai(Altai ukraine), Primorskii krai(Primorskii ukraine). They all are the border lands (kraies or ukraines).
"Krai" and "kraina" the same word version carry same meaning but first has male inclination but second has female inclination. "Ukraine" is just ukranized version of ancient russian word "kraina" in modern russian - "krai".
You need to learn real history not Infoukes propaganda!
Merry Christmas Pooty Putin!
"Spanalot it got your problem. It seems that you don't know neither slavic language moreover the decendants of ancient russian"
What ever you say (or didn't say?).
And did you know that Russia is derived from "Ruia" which is Viking for "bloviating obfuscator"?
And did you know that Russia is derived from "Ruia" which is Viking for "bloviating obfuscator"?==
You seem to be frustrated so turn to obsenity? My opinion we here on FR not fighting but looking for truth.
So I did never obstract my opponents even they disagree with me and I wish you do same.
Try to use your education and brains not obsenities.
"You seem to be frustrated so turn to obsenity"
Bloviating obfuscator is not an obscenity - tell Putie that you need a new Russian English dictionary.
That little remark is quite racist and practically worth an administrative ping
"but then again, you do defend the Latvians and their little SS parades, so why not?"
Thats a lie and it is you that is the rascist given your past remarks re: jews, chinese, and koreans.
Really? Care to produce those remarks?
Where to start?
How about this - this is a fine example of your work as an antisemite apologist.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:8JvnWP7JkpUJ:www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1384642/posts+jb6++antisemitic%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Oh really? Which of these comments is anti-semetic? I spend plenty of time on israeli threads so your little ad honuim attack is going to fizzle out just like the rest of your logic.
Was this the anti semetic remark? Another typical hit piece, it has become very fashionable in America and the rest of the "enlightened" West to slam Russia for everything short of causing rain on someone's picnic. And if you have to make up facts or some such, who cares. If it wasn't for nukes and oil, Russia would be the new Serbia for our neocon(artists) and globalist sleeze.
10 posted on 04/15/2005 5:27:08 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
Or
You do realize that the MosNews is a leftist newspaper on par with the American New York Times, right? Of course they praised the Yeltsin regime when the Oligarches were in charge, then everything was good and merry and the peasants knew their place: poor and starving.
11 posted on 04/15/2005 5:28:22 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
Or this one?
Even the prime minister is half Jewish and Zherinovsky is also half jewish.
12 posted on 04/15/2005 5:29:42 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
You do realize that in the Revolution and through the 1920s the main ethnic group in the Communist Party were Jews (atheist Jews). While the father of the Red Terror was Polish, the fathers of the Gulags (half of whom themselves died there, the other half were shot but the Georgian click under Stalin) were also Jewish.
13 posted on 04/15/2005 5:32:34 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
The funny thing also with Hitler, his second in charge of the Luftwaffe was known as Hitler's Jew, the guy was half jewish. There were also more then a few Jews in the SS. Just goes to prove that there is a 1-3% pure scum population in each and every ethnic group. I guess that's all just part of human nature.
14 posted on 04/15/2005 5:34:01 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
Oh, no I know there is anti-semitism there and maybe yes I get a bit over sensitive, because these articles are coming a dime a dozen. You should hear my wife, who is Russian, she's stopped reading the news, she says everyone is out to get the Russian people. Some times I feel she's right.
35 posted on 04/16/2005 9:03:34 PM PDT by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
Relax - Putie gave up - your on our side now, remember?
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