After OKC bombing, Secret Service took thousands of phone records without court approval...

McCurtain Daily Gazette ^ | 1/5/2006 | J.D. Cash and Lt. Col. Roger Charles U.S.M.C. (retired)

[Velveeta]

No court approval Bubba? I'm shocked.

[muawiyah]

Does this mean we have to dig up ol McVeigh and exonerate him or something?

[Jet Jaguar]

BTTT

[Young Werther]

Once again Bush did it and without ACLU approval!!!

OReilly did a number on an ACLU weinie tonight. He asked:

"So, in your mind, Bush is guilty without the need for an investigation and court process?" (paraphrase.)

[gondramB]

"Does this mean we have to dig up ol McVeigh and exonerate him or something?"

It means several bad things but hopefully not one.

[Velveeta]

Yeah, that's the ticket. LOL

[Hoodat]

That's different. Clinton was a democrat, you see . . .

[muawiyah]

Well, he'll have to identify the body then.

[OldFriend]

GMTA......let's re-animate McVeigh! AFter all, his rights were violated!

[yarddog]

Quite a few Government agencies have the power to seize phone records and othe private info without a court order.

That is not the same thing as wiretaps tho. I for one think wiretaps of foreign terror suspects talking with Americans should not even be questioned. Of course we should be doing it.

[KevinDavis]

Well well well well.. Look what we got here...

[oceanview]

serious question - does this kind of information require a warrant? these aren't taps of phone conversations, just a list of the numbers called apparently.

[WideGlide]

The documents, legally obtained by this newspaper, reveal the transfer of thousands of individual telephone records into a special database the Secret Service created during the first frantic days after the April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing.

That's impossible!!! George Bush was not yet President on April 19, 1995.

[doug from upland]

They gathered all this info and have still refused to admit what Jayna Davis and many of us know --- the Iraqi connection to OKC.

[Mike Darancette]

I didn't think that your phone records (calling pattern) is confidential. These are items that are readily available in discovery.

[Hoodat]

>That's impossible!!! George Bush was not yet President on April 19, 1995<

Doesn't matter. It's still Bush's fault.

[muawiyah]

Look, we'd get strange phone numbers on our bills and I'd call the party on the other end and find out who they were and who it was hacked our numbers to call them.

Send that sucker over to the cops and make a collection.

Theoretically the cops would need a warrant to make that call to whoever it was at the other end. Remember, they'd "done nothing".

I didn't need a warrant.

No one ever questioned this method, least of all the phone company.

It's like this, phones are not new. Phone scams have been around a long time. If you're getting billed for someone else's "use" you are allowed to pursue them!

[Velveeta]

Quite a few Government agencies have the power to seize phone records and othe private info without a court order.

But here, the names, payment history, etc of every single debit card customer was logged into the government database.

I for one think wiretaps of foreign terror suspects talking with Americans should not even be questioned.

I agree, completely.

[Westlander]

Any odds that this will be reported by the MSM ?

[Velveeta]

What will Nancy Pelosi say?