ummm... FireFinder RADAR and computer controlled CounterBatteryFire???
Posted on 01/05/2006 3:44:29 PM PST by SJackson
Kill the rocket crew?
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If Israel's whole purpose is to make it hard for the PLO and Hamas to move into the areas of the abandoned Gaza Jewish settlements to shoot rockets at Israel, then why the hell did Israel expel the Jewish settlers in the first place?
As I've noted before, it might have mad sense to keep a northern strip, as well as the philadelphi corridor. It also would have resulted in the continued operation of the Eretz Industrial Park, which at one time employed 3,000 to 4,000 palestinians, as well as providing land for Sharon's contemplated casino, though I think that plan has been dropped. Like the Jericho casino, if you kill the patrons, no, they won't come.
Its like being nibbled to death by hundreds of deranged ducks with homemade rockets no less.
The Most Effective Defense Against Rockets
Kneecap Yao Ming?
And so - instead of moving tanks and heavy artillery up to the Gaza fence to shoot at PLO and Hamas terrorists when they try to enter the territories of those abandoned Jewish settlements to shoot at the Negev - wouldn't it be so much simpler and cheaper just to move all the expelled Jewish settlers back to their homes in the Gaza Strip?
Who would then be the targets requiring defense within Palestinian territory. That's a non-starter.
All this liberal wailing about reprisals reminds me of people who think a prong collar on a dog is inhumane and that you should only train them with goodies. Unfortunately for liberals, a dog won't respect a handler if he or she is unwilling to enforce pack leadership; they'll try to take over themselves, which is stressful for everybody, including the dog. Once you've informed a dog with goodies and you have confirmed that it knows what it should be doing and it knows it will get a reward if it complies, if it fails to do so, then just calmly pop the prong collar and the dog quickly learns to obey or it hurts. The process makes everybody, including the dog, soon happier because is doesn't bother struggling with the handler and instead accepts the beta role.
The simple solution in the case of Gaza is deterrance, whereby the terrorists see that they will lose so many people for each attack that to continue would threaten their existence. So far, Israel has been unwilling to apply sufficient response to make Hamas et al. desist. International pressure has compounded that problem, thus this situation will likely go on forever.
OTOH, Israel could apply the ultimate punishment: Make the Palestinians live with themselves. Every time Israel is attacked, round up a few thousand people from Judea or Samaria and relocate them to Gaza. A buffer zone in the Negev before an eventual war would be a small price to pay for clearing out the land around Jerusalem.
It was important to unilaterally draw a line, and get all of the Israelis on the safe side of that line.
Thats been done. We can quibble over where the line was drawn, but it was important to draw it and to pick a line all Israelis were prepared to fight and die for.
It is now just as important to make the arabs pay in territory every time an attack is launched across that line. Killing the attackers is laudable and necessary, but it is insufficient; they have an endless supply of cannon fodder and the Israelis do not and never will. Israelis are a precious commodity whether there are many or few.
Instead it is absolutely necessary that there be a price paid in territory for every attack across the line. The price paid must be permanent. Any building or dwelling affected by moving the line must be bull-dozed; if the owners are innocent they should be compensated, but bull-doze the building and move the line forward with no apologies.
The mistake Israel made before was to believe that they could co-exist with arabs in the occupied territories. They now know this is not possible. Non-Israeli arabs should be kept on the far side of the line in every case. If moving the line puts arabs in Israeli territory, compensate them and expel them.
Don't ask permission, don't apologize, do it.
But then again I'd send much more than what had just landed on MY side O-))
ummm... FireFinder RADAR and computer controlled CounterBatteryFire???
"All this liberal wailing about reprisals reminds me of people who think a prong collar on a dog is inhumane and that you should only train them with goodies. Unfortunately for liberals, a dog won't respect a handler if he or she is unwilling to enforce pack leadership"
A Koehler trainer?
Yup and fully automatic to eliminate any second thoughts. Whenever the vermin pitch, they catch.
I know! I know! Carpet bomb everything for a mile around the site where the rockets were fired. Anything still living in the area gets thrown over the fence to Egypt.
-ccm
No, more Frawley than Koehler. I use a lot more motivational work to teach than Koehler did, but I'm no fan of Dildei (don't care about winning Schutzhund competitions and more a fan of KNPV). I have real work for the dog to do, but it isn't the usual protection job; it involves long hours of watchfulness, knowing where to be while I'm working in the woods on VERY steep wooded terrain, staying put when things get scary, and carrying tools. The dog can't be fazed by loud power equipment, gunfire, or falling trees. She also has to track upon occasion. So I've incoporated a number of things over the years. My current Dutch Shepherd pup is very sweet, but very independent and devious. She'll get there.
Rockets don't kill people. People kill people.
I like it!
Their best defense is their best offense. Hit them first.
Nice looking dog. How old?
I am not familiar with Frawley or KNPV. I did work my dog with a Schutzhund club but only on obedience. I was not too impressed.
My dog is Koehler trained and for her praise is great reward and motivation. I'm not sure one method works for all, but I'm sure that reward only does not.
So yes I agree with your analogy for the Palestinians.
Back then she was about nine months, thirteen months now and eighty pounds of lean dog.
I am not familiar with Frawley or KNPV. I did work my dog with a Schutzhund club but only on obedience. I was not too impressed.
It's all about an excited dog obsessed with its handler. That doesn't help much if what you need is independent decision-making ability, the good sense to know when to fight off a wild animal and when to run, where to be in order to be an effective protector, etc. Most of that knowledge is innate; you can develop it, but you can't easily train it. You also need a dog that will do the job when it isn't fun for long periods of time (sometimes days). That's where Schutzhund falls on its face IMO.
My dog is Koehler trained and for her praise is great reward and motivation. I'm not sure one method works for all, but I'm sure that reward only does not.
Bill Koehler was a great guy, and loved dogs a lot more than the touchy-feely types will ever understand.
So yes I agree with your analogy for the Palestinians.
LOL, if only the Palestinians were as sensible.
Post 7: Instead it is absolutely necessary that there be a price paid in territory for every attack across the line. The price paid must be permanent.
I don't believe Israel has been unwilling to do so, I believe they have been unable to do so. Not millitarily, I'm sure Israel could level every inch of palestine if they thought they could get away with it, but the world won't let them. We are their biggest (possibly only) supporter and as soon as they get anywhere close to a reasonable retalliation, we slap them down and tell them they need to negotiate with the terrorist thugs...
Same goes for making them pay with land, the world will rail again that they have to give the terrorists back their land and then they get to start all over again. You may be able to fight with one hand behind your back, but you can't win with both hands behind your back and both legs hobbled.
That's what I want for my front yard, only instead of returning fire, it targets and fires on vehicles that throw trash into my yard!!! Some how I don't think the local D.A. will think too highly of it though....Drat!!!
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