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Fla. Court Kills 'School Choice' Voucher System
News Max ^ | Thursday, Jan. 5, 2006 4:00 p.m. EST

Posted on 01/05/2006 1:45:36 PM PST by fuyb

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To: teenyelliott
Within a short drive of just my own home, people have the choices of any public school (traditional and some year round). But there are inexpensive and expensive private schools, religious schools, magnet schools, charter schools, homeschools, technical schools, and so on and so on. For high school there are night classes, MANY internet classes, regular high schools, technical high schools, college classes, early college high schools, AP classes, alternative high schools, MANY internships, charter high schools, all sorts of private schools (religious, secular, etc), parochial schools, and so on and so on (these are just a few of the options). It isn't uncommon for a student to take classes at different ones. And people STILL complain they have no choice.

I'm not going to apply this to anyone else's area, just my own. I do favor several options for high school especially.

As for this case, I probably don't think it should it should be thrown out. But that's all I will say about it. My battles are elsewhere.

101 posted on 01/06/2006 6:48:50 AM PST by moog
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To: speekinout
And we don't all have choices. Do you honestly think that anyone would live in a crime-ridden inner city if they had a choice?

Ah, but that is not true. Everyone has choices. And when you make poor choices in life, you suffer the consequences. And that is no one else's fault but your own.

You have a choice whether or not you want to do well in high school. You have a choice whether or not you want to have children out of wedlock, or at a young age. You have a choice whether or not you go to college, or work hard to get a scholarship to do so. You have a choice in your education, you have a choice in your lifestyle. Everyone in this country has the freedom to choose how and where they live. It is only a matter of how hard you are willing to work. That is what makes this country great. Everyone has the opportunity to succeed. Some choose not to do so. I do not buy this "less fortunate" routine. As if the choices I made were just luck? Not so.

How would you explain all of the people in this country who grew up dirt poor, on welfare, in the projects, who worked hard so that they could be successful? I think Thomas Sowell might disagree with your premise, as well as every other American who worked hard, made good choices, and reaped the benefits.

hillary's "it takes a village" book is nonsense

Of course it is. That is why I used it as an example.

102 posted on 01/06/2006 8:00:21 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: fuyb

Now everyone just kneel before your black-robed kings and be nice little subjects, would ya?


103 posted on 01/06/2006 8:01:36 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Non-Sequitur

"I suggest we give them all $10,000 and let the parents chose and call it a day."

"If the state is going to subsidize those parents and provide them something that they are unable or unwilling to pay for themselves then what is next? Will the state provide $10,000 for health care? A better home? A new car?"

You do make a valid point that maybe the government should not be redistributing wealth by educating children. However, I am not that extreme a think that all children should have access to a decent education


104 posted on 01/06/2006 10:58:34 AM PST by fuyb
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To: teenyelliott

Lay all your concerns to rest because you are using extremes and misconceptions put out buy the msm, the teacher unions and the NEA. These schools can not discriminate any more than the public schools can. Most private and Charter schools out perform public schools on all levels and deal with your concerns instead of turning a blind eye. For example here is a study from Harvard and The National Bureau of Economic Research on charter schools. http://www.wacharterschools.org/learn/studies/HoxbyCharters_Dec2004.pdf

Overall the study showed a 5.2% increase in reading and 3.2% math for charter schools. However vouchers and Charter schools are a growing trend and the longer these schools have been in business the proficiency figures go up. For example the study showed those schools in question that were open for 9 to 11 years had an increase of 10.1% in the category of reading at about 40% of the funding.
That’s right! Instead of paying that $7,500 into a failing system you can get a better education for your child at $3,000. However, instead of cutting funding to $3,000 lets find the best schools for the $7,500 you are already spending.
Here are some more studies.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp81.pdf
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp67.pdf
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp66.pdf
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp86.pdf
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Education/wm710.cfm


105 posted on 01/06/2006 11:32:34 AM PST by fuyb
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To: teenyelliott

Children do not have choices on their own. They can't move out of the inner city if that's where their parent chooses to live. And if they don't get an education, their choices in life are always limited.
Thomas Sowell was lucky enough to grow up in a time when public schools actually did educate children. And he certainly does write strongly in support of educational choice. Do you remember his book "The Quest for Cosmic Justice"? Much of that is about the failure of our public education system. It also discusses how children in these environments are led toward poor choices.
Adults who had a good education and good role models as children are definitely responsible for their own choices. Too many children in this country don't get either.


106 posted on 01/06/2006 2:23:02 PM PST by speekinout
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Bush v. Holmes - Case No. 04-2323 ...
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/.../04-2323/Filed_01-05-2006_Opinion.pdf

Briefs & Other Documents in Case No. 04-2323 ...
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/.../04/04-2323/index.html

107 posted on 01/06/2006 2:36:47 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: teenyelliott
Sorry for the slow response - I went to bed before I saw your reply. My guess for the cost per student in public schools (national average) is at least $8K/yr.
108 posted on 01/06/2006 3:13:31 PM PST by Gil4 (This tagline for rent - cheap!)
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To: fuyb

just a thought ....

what if everyone kept their kid out of public school for 1 day .. perhaps that would get some attention.

I know the thought strikes fear into the heart of our local superintendent.


109 posted on 01/11/2006 5:47:13 AM PST by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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