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Did the Cubans assassinate Kennedy?
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 1/4/06 | Kate Connolly

Posted on 01/03/2006 6:06:27 PM PST by saquin

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To: usmcobra

Again, shouldn't we be comparing Oswald with the general populace here instead of with other Marines? He may have been at the bottom of the barrel in the Marines, but was he not arguably a better shot than the average Joe Schmoe walking the streets in Dallas, Texas, that day? And does the fact that he didn't measure up as a shot compared to other Marines make it metaphysically impossible for him to, starting out with one cartridge already chambered ... that is another fact that a lot of people overlook; people think he had to work the bolt three times during those few seconds, but it was really only two ... hit a completely open, slow-moving target three times (although he missed the first shot; that's another fact people don't consider when pooh-poohing the single bullet theory) at a range of between 170 and 265 feet with a rifle equipped with a 4X scope?


61 posted on 01/03/2006 7:45:37 PM PST by GB
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To: Arizona Carolyn
My husband was on the Navy Rifle Team and taught shooting in the Navy -- he has always said: no way!

I agree with your husband. Actually I wouldn't quite go that far, but definitely unlikely.

62 posted on 01/03/2006 7:47:20 PM PST by yarddog
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To: saquin
It's just like the kook from Iran....Kennedy was never assassinated...never happened...no holocaust....deny, deny, deny...no wait, that's somebody else.

Kennedy's demise benefited so many people...Castro, the mob, LBJ, the military-industrial complex, Ari Onassis....we should have them all summarily executed and then take them out for drinks.

63 posted on 01/03/2006 7:48:29 PM PST by stboz
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To: Arizona Carolyn

First shot missed. It hit the curb and some fragments peppered the face of a guy named Tague who was standing there. Connolly always said he heard a shot and turned to look behind him. He went to his grave saying there were three separate shots. When he turned, he was ... the show ABC put on using modern scientific methods and graphics presented very compelling evidence, even though it was from the MSM, to this effect ... absolutely in perfect alignment for the second bullet to hit both JFK and him and inflict the wounds that were credited to "the magic bullet." Third shot took out JFK's brain.


64 posted on 01/03/2006 7:49:28 PM PST by GB
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To: cyberdasher

The same reason The 'Toon covered up the TWA 800 shoot down.


65 posted on 01/03/2006 7:59:47 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that the vast majority of Democrats are patriots?)
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To: GB

Yeah, well.........watch the Zapruder film and any intelligent analysis of it, then tell me how that s**tbag pulled it off with a single-shot rifle.

Bulls**t.


66 posted on 01/03/2006 8:10:32 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: saquin
The guy on the next barstool always knows better. He's the expert, ya know. He was in the Marines, or he once met a guy who knew Jack Ruby's newspaper delivery boy, who told him, or his husband (we're in Canada now) says, and so on. As I said, the smokescreen. And the smoke tends to go to the heads of experts on barstools everywhere. See the big picture, as the details are unknown, incomplete, unreliable, subjective, manipulated.


67 posted on 01/03/2006 8:10:44 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: RightOnline
The Carcano is not a single shot rifle. I used to have one. They are not as bad as some say, but still one of the worst military rifles ever issued.

I would say typical accuracy at that range would be in the neighborhood of 3 inches. That of course would be bench rested. Most people would have trouble hitting a head-sized target at 85 yards mcuh less one moving.

68 posted on 01/03/2006 8:16:56 PM PST by yarddog
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To: plain talk
The article mentions that the film is based on the work of Gus Russo's book "Live by the Sword," which is scrupulously researched and well written. Russo regards Oswald as the lone assassin, but acting as an agent of Castro. There is also good evidence for Mafia involvement, potentially as allies of Castro based on common hatred and fear of Kennedy.

Whatever the merits on the facts, politically, the Castro- did-it theory is an orphan, and especially so if true. The Left does not like it for exonerating the CIA and the military and putting Castro on the hook, while conservatives are reflexively against Kennedy conspiracy theories based on the Left's preferred account. The odd silence of the Kennedy family is perhaps best explained by the recognition that the truth of inept and seamy plots against Castro would be devastating to JFK's political legacy, which is essential to the family's stature.

Unlike most alleged conspiracies, the evidence for one in the Kennedy assassination has continued to build over the years even though definitive proof remains elusive. With strong evidence of a cover-up and a large cache of documents on the assassination in the hands of the CIA and never provided to investigators, the case is still open and will remain so for some time to come.

If Castro did it, his death and the fall of communism in Cuba may prompt the release of definitive evidence, probably first from Cuban sources. As compelling as the subject is for so many people, the Kennedy assassination is of little consequence for the US government today -- except for a firm intention to let sleeping dogs lie.
69 posted on 01/03/2006 8:17:49 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: RightOnline

You telling me he couldn't aim three times, work the bolt twice ... again, that's the thing that people don't stop to realize, he didn't have to work the bolt three times, just twice ... and pull the trigger three times in six seconds at a slow moving, completely exposed target less than 100 yards away?


70 posted on 01/03/2006 8:18:42 PM PST by GB
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To: Rockingham

I've always thought the mafia was involved because of Ruby knocking off Oswald. The rest of it is speculation, and so many dogs have run over that trail, nobody will ever know what really happened.


71 posted on 01/03/2006 8:22:00 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Tenure is the enemy of excellence.)
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To: yarddog

There was a pretty good sniper's perch set up in that window. There was a box for a rest that had a crease in it from the rifle. Plus Oswald ... and again, I call him the shooter, if anyone disagrees, c'est la vie, we can just agree to disagree ... apparently learned something about the concept of ambush in the Marines. He could've emptied the clip into Kennedy's face as he came up Houston Street, but he'd have been absolutely exposed to the Secret Service. Once the car turned onto Elm, it was caught in an ambush situation that it couldn't get out of, because every foot the car traveled made it a more wide-open target.


72 posted on 01/03/2006 8:23:14 PM PST by GB
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To: saquin

My pet theory was that Ted Kennedy killed JFK so he could be the number one Kennedy.

WHAT!?! Something wrong with my tin-foil hat???


73 posted on 01/03/2006 8:25:37 PM PST by Gamera977
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To: yarddog

One more thing ... is it beyond the realm of possibility that on 11/22/63, the stars and planets just happened to be aligned enough to where this piece of debris, who may have been a poor shot for a Marine but, as I've contended, was a better shot than probably most people walking the streets of Dallas that day ... I don't know if "got lucky" is the right way to put it, but maybe he just happened to have "a good day at the range," so to speak.


74 posted on 01/03/2006 8:27:54 PM PST by GB
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To: yarddog
I always thought is was the Mafia....The teamsters delivered the electoral in votes Illinois to Kennedy which put him over the top. As soon as he takes the Oath of Office, Bobby starts the "War on Organized Crime". Kind of a slap in the face to the Mafia for putting Kennedy in the White House.
75 posted on 01/03/2006 8:28:07 PM PST by skimask (I'll march through Hell wearing shorts soaked in gasoline, if needed to get the job done)
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To: GB
It is possbile but if Oswald did do it alone, he was, as you say lucky.

Getting off three shots in that time is not hard, but making good shots is, especially if you are not a real skilled shooter, by that, I mean skilled at working the bolt without moving it from the cheek as well as hitting.

Nearly every person will shoot, take the gun from the shouler, work the action, then re aquire a spot weld aim and shoot. This can be done in that time but not with accuracy.

A skilled rifleman will work the action with the rifle still at the cheek. I would bet Oswald was not that skilled.

If there was a second shooter, I would think he was right there or at least next door to Oswald.

76 posted on 01/03/2006 8:34:32 PM PST by yarddog
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To: GB

I've been to Dealey Plaza and have been up in the book depository building. I've looked out the window where supposedly Oswald shot the President.

How anybody could have leaned out that window and shot at a moving car is beyond me. It's not like the car went under that window. Maybe Oswald was a contortionist.


77 posted on 01/03/2006 8:39:55 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: GB

LOL.........you try it, then tell me, friend.

[...can you say "not a chance in holy hell?? I knew you could.........]


78 posted on 01/03/2006 8:41:07 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline

I'd love a chance to try, although it's not likely to ever happen. Are there any Carcanos even floating around today? Can you still get ammo for them?


79 posted on 01/03/2006 8:46:34 PM PST by GB
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To: ladyjane

He didn't lean out the window. He was braced up against some boxes inside the window. And while he couldn't have gotten a shot off at JFK as the car turned right under the window, again, as the car traveled on down Elm, past the Stemmons Freeway sign and that one tree, it became a completely exposed target.


80 posted on 01/03/2006 8:49:09 PM PST by GB
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