Posted on 01/03/2006 6:16:33 AM PST by NYer
I agree. This is a private institution and should make rules as they wish. If it was a public universtity I would have a completely different outlook on the situation even though morally I would still consider it wrong, I would side with the school if it were public.
Imagine that! A Catholic University standing up for Catholic vakues!
Too bad the selfish narcissistic professors can't do the same.
Just wondering why these two upstanding citizens will not marry. Could it be that one or both have a spouse they have not yet divorced?
I promise that if the church was aware of the situation (that they were having sex before marriage), that is they were honest with the priest, there was some pennance to be done and some counceling that they had to go through.
I know this because I went through it. I never purported to be perfect. My fiance and I lived together in San Fransicso when we both lost roomates within a week of each other and could not afford rent at either place alone. Whether are reasons for living together were acceptable or not was not the point. We did have sex before marriage and it was wrong. We were honest whit our priest in our interview to be married in the church. We obstained per our priest orders and our pennance until we were married.
Go ask your friends about their pennance, confessions or discussions with the priest(s) regarding how the church let them get married. A family member of mine and her husband "fibbed" to the priest because of embarrasment, fear, etc. I did not approve of that either.
But again, I am not one to judge.
The Catholic Church could learn a whole lot from the Mormons, though sometimes (Mitt Romney comes to mind) I'm afraid the Mormons are "learning" from us.
The problem is that these people have relatives, friends and local clergy who do not love them enough to let them know that they are living in a state of mortal sin.
Any priest worth his salt, upon learning during pre-Cana that this couple is co-habitating, would have instructed them that they need to go to confression before they can receive the Sacrament of Matrimony.
It reminds me of a story told by a parish priest in Florida where my in-laws vacation. A couple was meeting with him to schedule their wedding in his church. When he asked each of them their addresses, they both gave him the same address. He asked them if they were living together. The woman responded, "Is that still wrong?"
Catholic Encyclopedia.
"Adultery is defined as carnal connection between a married person and one unmarried, or between a married person and the spouse of another. It is seen to differ from fornication in that it supposes the marriage of one or both of the agents."
About 4 years ago my wife's sister and her boyfriend came to visit us from out of town for a few days. My daughter was at the time about 12.
My wife asked if they didn't mind sleeping in separate rooms while they were at our house as we were/are raising our daughter to be a good Catholic.
You would have thought we had asked them to clean the septic tank. They got all huffy and left immediately, and the relationship has never been the same.
Snip... The names are Ellen and Leigh. I read that as both females, heterosexual . . . and I just don't see a problem.
Uh oh, you have a case of posting a comment and not reading the article.
From the article:
Kennedy, 57, and Lawton, 61, live together as unmarried, heterosexual partners.
It's always a good thing to read before you post.
;o)
And if flouting sin and vice becomes a badge of courage for university employees, then students might be better off teaching themselves.
It's better to have no role models than to have bad role models.
Hmmm, they have a very interesting take on the episode of the Samaritan woman.
What do you consider the Church's teaching on, say, the death penalty. Because as far as I know, the Church's teaching is that a government has the legitimate right to use the death penalty, as long as it does so justly.
"And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:All these evil things come from within, and defile the man." Mark 7:20-23 (KJV)
Leigh can also be a man's name. More common in the UK than here.
If they don't follow Catholic teaching, why the heck would they want to get married in the church anyway?
Your wife did the right thing. Your house, your rules.
kinda like saying we're all swimmers here, therefore we should all try to swim across the ocean.
Okay, thanks for the explanation. I have only had the guts to ask one couple how they did it because I am pretty close to both. The rest, well, I think it would have been rude of me. Anyway, it just strikes me as hypocritical of the Church and its always bugged me. What couples do is their business, but the Church allowing this stuff is just weird to me, penance or not.
I don't understand... which one is the man?
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