Posted on 01/01/2006 2:55:51 PM PST by SunSetSam
Numerous times I have stated this here at FR and slowly it seems to be getting across.
Islam is NOT simply a religion.
It is an all-in-one package, (a way of life), an ideology, a form of government and a religion all rolled into one.
That's the legal fiction.
Against Islam.
mark
We HAVE freedom, we haven't lost it. Listening to intercepts of terrorist will not destroy this country...it will preserve it.
Yes sir I do.
No, it means that there are some 'packs' (I won't name any names here) here on FR that attack newbies who dare to disagree and sometimes individual posters can get nastier than they should. I made the offer because I do love a good argument, er discussion.
I will say that none of our antagonists here have exhibited that type of behavior. The discourse here has been pretty spirited, but civil and we are willing to help you get your minds right. ;-)
That's what you are doing when you buy a gun or draft a bill of rights. You are worried about something that hasn't happened. You are worried that someone may take your life or liberty.
Then you need to complain about what J.Edgar Hoover did.
He's dead, I don't complain about what dead people did. There are enough live people bothering us.
Listening to intercepted phone calls from al queda will not destroy this country.
Then why not give everyone the right to listen to Al Qaeda phone calls? The more ears the better.
If they are righteous...what are they doing in embarrassing positions?
People are human, even Republicans. They may have made mistakes early in life or have been falsely accused. Look at what they did to Linda Tripp regarding that shoplifting beef. Or they may have relatives who were dopers or homosexuals. Even honest people can be blackmailed or intimidated.
I don't see it as the evil you do. You see it as political blackmail gain. I don't think Americans would sit too kindly for that.
It happens all the time and they do sit quietly. When Clinton was being impeached the White House was talking about a "doomsday weapon" of personal muck that would bring everybody down. No wonder that most of the worst charges against Clinton were dropped.
We lost the freedom to discriminate in the 60's with the civil rights movement.
We've lost the right to carry weapons on airlines.
When did we have a right to carry loaded guns on an airplane?
We've lost the fourth amendment right when we travel or enter a government building.
With psychos gunning down women and judges in courtrooms, I'd say it was a prudent measure.
Private pilots have lost the right to fly over certain airspace under penalty of being summarily shot down.
After 9-11 you want them flying over the WH? Planes can be hijacked. I agree with this as well.
We've lost the right to go to the bathroom in the last ten minutes of a commercial flight.
Isn't that for safety reasons? Would you want to be in the bathroom if the plane blew a tire on touchdown? Safety reasons. Not political.
Not to appear to be a wise ass or anything, but...duh. Who wants an idiot yelling bomb on a plane. You're not allowed to yell fire in a theater.
It's not my government I'm worried about taking my life, it's terrorist. They planned 9-11 for over two years.
Then why not give everyone the right to listen to Al Qaeda phone calls? The more ears the better.
I already answered that. It would be chaos and anarchy. 300 million people yelling at the same time. Leave it to the professionals. They have the higher pay grade. :-)
It happens all the time and they do sit quietly. When Clinton was being impeached the White House was talking about a "doomsday weapon" of personal muck that would bring everybody down. No wonder that most of the worst charges against Clinton were dropped.
Then they put career over country. I hadn't heard about the 'doomsday weapon' I'm curious now.
I don't think so. I saw an international poll once about attitudes on America. Depending on the country, there were a lot of mixed feeling about us. But one thing that was consistent was that America is necessary for peace in the world.
Anybody want to see if they can dig up this poll? I'm getting tired.
"Rather than let the government listen to Al Qaeda, let everyone listen." You're talking total chaos and anarchy. Too many cooks spoil the broth
How so. What's wrong with an international neighborhood watch? The Washington Sniper terrorists were caught because a citizen was listening in on a police radio. The information that the snipers were in a maroon Chevy was being withheld from the public but a bunch of truckers picked this up on a police scanner, (illegal in some jurisdictions), the car was spotted at a truck stop and these Muslim terrorists were apprehended.
People scoff at the idea of citizens stopping terrorist acts but it does happen.
Good question. I can't remember when congress 'enacted' [without the power to do so] a federal 'law' saying we couldn't.. -- I flew several times in the sixties with a pistol [unloaded] & ammo in my carry on bag, and never gave 'legality' a thought, as no one ever looked in your luggage..
Anyone remember?
And if the American people in general cannot be trusted to be a good citizen, what makes them so trustworthy when they become part of the government?
Okay, I'll try again.
we elect our politicans to do our work for us.
I suggest we should be doing things that our politicians have been doing for us. Maybe things like patrolling the border, or tending to airport security.
In a utopian world that could happen, but not in reality. Our government people come from our pool of Americans.
But when those ordinary Americans become federal employees, they are often shackled by clumsy rules and oppressive and often corrupt supervisors. For example, airport screeners who are told they can't give more attention to dark, swarthy middle-eastern men. Or the border patrol agent who is told he can't apprehend illegals after hours even though he sees them passing by in trucks.
That's true enough. But that wasn't international listening. That was local. They speak in Arabic, how many Americans such as you and I speak arabic? I don't.
I agree with Bush. If al queda is calling someone in this country, I want to know why. It's legal.
Are you talking about second ammendment rights? It seems that, actually some of those are coming back (concealed carry, and the new FL law whose name I forget, where you don't have to run away from a fight). I realize those are on the state level, but it seems that we are winning that one to some extent.
susie
When they are just citizens they speak for themselves. When they are elected, it's their job to speak for us. I believe term limits would would make honest politicans. Until we have that, we can only go by their past records
Yes, in my humble opinion, the ADA is probably the one thing most responsible for the mess we have in our schools. That old law of unintended consequences. I was most amazed that parents bought into the idea that their child who really needed more help was better off in a regular classroom with a teacher who was not trained to deal with kids with any special needs.
It's sad because we could have the best schools in the world with the money we put into them. Of course, I am actually against any Federal funding for schools and think they would be far better off without it.
susie
I never thought of it that way, but yes! LOL
susie
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