The disappearing male, In College Classrooms, Men are Missing

NorthJersey.com ^ | 12.11.05 | MICHAEL GURIAN

[Snapping Turtle]

Probably another reason military recruiters aren't wanted on campuses. They're taking the best and most motivated young men, and the colleges and universities are left with the unmotivated, unpatriotic and anti-American youth. Just like the professors that instruct them!

[Nonstatist]

It is a riddle wrapped in mystery

Bull, Torie (see post 59). A lot has changed in the classroom, some of it subtle, some not. I mean, really, if most of the teachers and the union itself is run by "independent women", wouldn't you expect the classroom to reflect that?

Of course, theres too many fatherless households with uninvolved fathers and too many heavily involved liberal women(in the NEA and the voting booth). It's a numbers thing, not a puzzle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in pretzel.

[Torie]

With a couple of exceptions, the best teachers I had were women in secondary school, and three of them really made a difference, along with one male teacher. Of course, back in the dark ages, women or talent were teachers, rather than lawyers, or MD's or MBA's. I don't think one can blame it all on drugs either. In fact, students were not disruptive at all when I was in school, male or female. Some tuned out, but were not disruptive, and my public school high school in Los Angeles took in some lower middle class neighborhoods. The public school junior high school was much more elite (mostly upper middle class), and the grammar school was an elite private school, I must admit.

[Torie]

You really think males failing is due to the ideology of female teachers? Heck, most of my teachers were liberal, and I loved it. I went after them. The conflict was the best drug of all; it gave me a high. Your thesis of poor male performance vis a vis women just doesn't ring true to me.

[TChad]

The piece makes no mention of the liberalism and feminist bigotry that saturate today's educational institutions. Those are huge omissions.

I live near a college. A few years ago, I walked into the local coffee shop/art house to find a college art history class in progress in the back room. The female instructor was lecturing on how objectification of women in art degraded women. Her thesis was that depiction of the nude female form in art was one way that males had subjugated women through the ages. Her questions to the male students made them answer for the evils that "men" had done. When not mumbling their answers to her questions, the boys squirmed in their chairs and looked at the floor. She did quite an effective job of humiliating them. It went on and on, a transparent abuse of her power.

Gurian's comments don't touch on what was wrong with that class. The students signed up to learn about art, but instead received feminist indoctrination at the hands of a bigot, and were subjected to intentional humiliation for their sex. From conversations with students and faculty, I've received the impression that what I heard was not unusual. No wonder they can't hang on to their male students.

[Domestic Church]

Until that happens here's the alternative:

http://learninfreedom.org/homeschool_hotlist.html

http://www.nhen.org

And here's some older related threads:

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3846d8ab444a.htm

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a392ee9234fa9.htm

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a7aee17289c.htm

http://www.freeRepublic.com/forum/a3b0e83a71dd0.htm

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b555c262d74.htm

[Torie]

Why didn't the males take the teach on? Why?

[Domestic Church]

Here's the book:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

[television is just wrong]

In order to protect one sex or one race, you hold back all the others. Preferential treatment of any type, will deter the other from advancing...

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

Feminism has changed our country. Political correctness runs amok. Our founding fathers are treated as evil slaveholders. The military is banned from recruiting at many law schools. Mothers are banning recruiters from their homes that wish to recruit their sons. I'm not against equality, but this is not equality.

[hinckley buzzard]

I don't think the problem really stems from expecting boys to sit still in a classroom and learn - boys could do that just fine when I went to school 30plus years ago,

I agree. I started school over fifty years ago, and we did just fine. Class of thirty, rarely a discipline problem, old ladies teaching, we stood quietly in line, didn't get out of our seats unless permitted, waited for breaks to go to the bathroom, ran around like crazy at morning recess, lunch hour, afternoon recess. Hmmm....Maybe there's something there to look at...how many kids now get a recess three times a day and are more or less required to go outside, run and scream and chase each other around? How many have physically demanding gym class three times a week?

These pop psychologists overlook the obvious because they just don't know very much about real life.

[Zack Nguyen]

Thank you!

[right-wingin_It]

You folks are in denial if you don't realize how the video games have taken over our young men...

Videogames and Mommy-dads that praise their kids for "makin' a doodie"

[FreeKeys]

Maybe this blog excerpt has something to do with it too:

    Dear current Management-Generation of Cubicle Land, please understand that:

    1. My generation was misinformed—by elders and fortune—about the value of our college degrees. $120,000 of your/our money now buys, career-wise, just a hair more than your free high-school diploma used to. As many of my peers now lament, “A law degree is the new B.A.” We’re the best-educated generation in American history, yet the job requirements haven’t changed...

    3. Are you aware of how little time it actually takes us to do things?

    4. If you’d let us, we could make the computer system work right.

[...]

For many college students, the first thing they discover upon graduation is how low-paying and low-skill the job market is for them. If that information ever filters back to high school students or parents, maybe they will think twice about paying top dollar for tuition.

-- from  http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2005/06/overqualified.html

[Hank Rearden]

Real men don't have much patience with a crapocracy.

[TChad]

Why didn't the males take the teach on? Why?

They were passive. Their answers ranged from "I dunno" to regurgitated feminist boilerplate intended to placate her. If I had to guess, I'd say the students were just trying to get through the damn class and get the damn credits.

I have wondered if I should have taken her on myself.

[Jo Nuvark]

[...about the DOOFUS...]

Pardon me for intruding on this thread. I completely
agree with your observation about the image of white
males in TV. Nearly EVERY commercial, the female is
pretty and bright and the boss. Her male partner is
homely and dumb and relies on her for instructions on
how to do everything.

To me... if this chick were so together, she would
have an EQUAL for a mate. To me, she looks like the
loser... too inferior to attract and winner.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Of course, not every male has to go to college to succeed, to be a good husband, to be a good and productive man. But a dismal future lies ahead for large numbers of boys in this generation who will not go to college. Statistics show that a young man who doesn't finish school or go to college in 2005 will likely earn less than half what a college graduate earns. He'll be three times more likely to be unemployed and more likely to be homeless. He'll be more likely to get divorced, more likely to engage in violence against women, and more likely to engage in crime. He'll be more likely to develop substance abuse problems and to be a greater burden on the economy, statistically, since men who don't attend college pay less in Social Security and other taxes, depend more on government welfare, are more likely to father children out of wedlock, and are more likely not to pay child support.

This is a good example as to why men don't go to college, because they get this negative BS both ways.

First they accused men of being born rapists and then when the men walk away from this BS, these bigots try to say how the men have no future if they don't go to college.

I know of more successful men of my generation (I am 25 years old) personally who dropped out of college than who completed college.

[Paul C. Jesup]

In order to protect one sex or one race, you hold back all the others. Preferential treatment of any type, will deter the other from advancing...

Wasn't that the Nazi's motto...

[Nonstatist]

The classroom has changed.Pedagogy has changed, expectations has changed. You have been out of the classroom for years and yet you keep coming back to anecdotes about your favorite female teachers of 30 yrs ago. You havent a clue, Im afraid.