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Added Ticktock of the Clock Restarts Time Debate
Washington Post ^ | December 26, 2005 | Guy Gugliotta

Posted on 12/25/2005 8:52:00 PM PST by indcons

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1 posted on 12/25/2005 8:52:02 PM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

I bet the big unions will have a fit. Imagine a second of time multiplied by a million uncompensated members. Its a rip off of the little guy.


2 posted on 12/25/2005 9:00:45 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: indcons

Ah, gee, not Y2K again.


3 posted on 12/25/2005 9:01:05 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: indcons

The only important question is: What Stardate is it now?


4 posted on 12/25/2005 9:02:23 PM PST by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: Lawgvr1955

"I bet the big unions will have a fit. Imagine a second of time multiplied by a million uncompensated members. Its a rip off of the little guy."

LOL...


5 posted on 12/25/2005 9:03:34 PM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to get on/off the Military History ping list)
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To: Lawgvr1955
"Its a rip off of the little guy."

And women and minorities are hit the hardest.

Of course, it is undoubtedly Bush's fault.

6 posted on 12/25/2005 9:05:02 PM PST by NicknamedBob (So now the plane's going down, and all MacGyver finds is a spork -- Who ya gonna blame? WBAL,"Larry")
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To: indcons

MAKE YOUR TIME.


7 posted on 12/25/2005 9:05:55 PM PST by RichInOC (HA HA HA HA....)
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To: indcons

Oh, please! Not Centons!!


8 posted on 12/25/2005 9:09:49 PM PST by NicknamedBob (So now the plane's going down, and all MacGyver finds is a spork -- Who ya gonna blame? WBAL,"Larry")
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To: indcons

"...so Earth can catch up with the atomic clocks..."
Whaaaa? I don't think THAT is how it works.


9 posted on 12/25/2005 9:11:54 PM PST by Abcdefg
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To: Abcdefg
Check this out: "...prolonged debate over the future of time in a world increasingly dominated by technology."
10 posted on 12/25/2005 9:14:19 PM PST by indcons (FReepmail indcons to get on/off the Military History ping list)
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To: RichInOC

All your leap second are belong to us.


11 posted on 12/25/2005 9:35:50 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: indcons
"...prolonged debate over the future of time....

How long will it take?

12 posted on 12/25/2005 9:39:44 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Rudy Giuliani is pro partial birth abortion...just ask Sean Hannity.)
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To: Abcdefg
Whaaaa? I don't think THAT is how it works.

That's what I was thinking. I'm thinking that this is a really fancy way of saying that their atomic clock gained a second.

13 posted on 12/25/2005 9:52:36 PM PST by bad company ( Sorry, I'll try to act normal but I'm all I have to work with.)
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To: indcons

Wouldn't it be easier just to speed up the earth a bit? :-)


14 posted on 12/25/2005 9:56:17 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

It is forbidden for you to interfere...


15 posted on 12/25/2005 10:05:02 PM PST by Darth Dan
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To: D.P.Roberts
Where can I buy some ready made meals real cheap? eh
16 posted on 12/25/2005 10:07:30 PM PST by timestax
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To: indcons
And unlike leap years or daylight saving time, software designers cannot plan ahead because leap seconds get added only when they are needed.

Uhhhhh ... didn't Congress just change how DST is handled starting in 2007, thus requiring updates to any computer (or VCR or DVD Recorder or anything else) which automatically handles DST? Arbitrary actions by Congress is not something designers can plan ahead for.

17 posted on 12/25/2005 10:08:42 PM PST by KarlInOhio (What is the most obscene gesture to a Democrat? An Iraqi voter showing him a stained finger.)
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To: neodad
The only important question is: What Stardate is it now?

Depends on where you are in the galaxy.

18 posted on 12/25/2005 10:15:29 PM PST by golas1964 ("He tasks me... He tasks me, and I shall have him!")
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To: indcons

Well, idiot state governments force people to switch their clocks twice a year for DST madness. That means it's whatever time the government says it is. And 2+2=5.


19 posted on 12/25/2005 10:30:14 PM PST by mysterio
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Uhhhhh ... didn't Congress just change how DST is handled starting in 2007, thus requiring updates to any computer (or VCR or DVD Recorder or anything else) which automatically handles DST? Arbitrary actions by Congress is not something designers can plan ahead for.

This isn't really so much of an issue. Most computers for which such things are really important use UTC (formerly GMT) as their reference point for time. There is no "daylight savings" or other silliness in UTC time, thank goodness.

Unix-based computers, for instance, generally have clocks that run UTC. When you ask the computer what time it is, it checks for an environment variable called, appropriately enough, "TZ", then it calculates what it should be displayed based on the value of this variable. If this variable is unset, it checks a file called in the /etc directory called "timezone" and applies the calculation to that. If that file doesn't exist, it displays UTC/GMT time. This time is based on the number of seconds that have elapsed since Jan. 1, 1970. Leap seconds cause problems with this system because the conversion from the number of seconds since 1/1/1970 is actually greater than it was initially expected to be, thus in an absolute sense generating the precise date from the number of elapsed seconds gives an incorrect answer.

In a practical sense, this is generally worked around a number of different ways. I recently read a really interesting white paper about discussions that have occured at various IEEE and IETF sessions on the matter. One solution might be to include a lookup table that contains the dates that these leap seconds are added so the conversions would be more accurate. It actually all gets very cloudy inside the workings of how these conversions could or should be done, but it is an interesting problem IMO, as I've always been pretty interested in timekeeping, and the history of it.

We'll, that's probably more than you ever cared about reading about this stuff, so I'll stop now.:-)

20 posted on 12/25/2005 10:37:24 PM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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