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Businesses oppose immigration plan
Dallas Business Journal ^ | Kent Hoover

Posted on 12/23/2005 5:23:41 AM PST by xzins

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Businesses are especially concerned about a requirement to check all employees' Social Security numbers -- not just new hires -- within six years. That's "an enormous undertaking," says Laura Reiff, an immigration attorney at Greenberg Traurig and co-chairwoman of the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition.

It's already being done. The SSA's "no match" letters for both employers and employees identify mismatches between reported W-2 data and the SSA Master Earnings File. But, that "enormous undertaking" equals big bucks for lawyers, eh?

I don't understand businesses defending such uneconomical Latino labor. Build the damn fence, put troops on the Mexican border, whatever.

Why hire five-dollar-an-hour Hispanic migrant labor when Red China has 800 million peasant citizens many of whom would work here unlimited hours for a dollar an hour and a clean place to sleep on the premises.

I thought businessmen understood economics.

Need 50 million? 100 million? Chinese workers. Just ask.

Technical workers too! The Chi-coms have millions of them. Maybe ten dollars an hour tops -- all have perfect GPAs and perfect scores on the GRE. All ten feet tall just ask Silicon Valley tech firms.

21 posted on 12/23/2005 7:55:08 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: xzins

"Even in construction, where immigrants make up one-fourth of the work force, the unemployment rate for native-born Americans is 11%, reports the Center for Immigration Studies, an anti-immigration research organization."

!/4th mu eye!! In California construction jobs are close to 3/4ths illegal, thus wiping out our middle class blue collar construction workers.


22 posted on 12/23/2005 7:58:11 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

You raise an excellent point: If there's a guest worker provision, what's to prevent those workers from being Chinese?

That is one reason to force a rise in the minimum wage....if a guest worker program is instituted, then make sure the company has to pay a higher minimum wage on those workers just like they would on American workers.

The bottom line is that the multi-national corps will continue to leave the US and simply import their products. Ford & GM both are closing plants and announcing new factories in other countries....almost in the same press release.

What is a CAPITALIST way of solving that problem?


23 posted on 12/23/2005 8:05:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: MajorityOfOne
A bill that would ultimately federalize the hiring of all employees, for businesses big and small, and all anyone can comment on is how it will effect the hiring of illegal immigrants?

Everyone needs a Social Security number, or a tax ID no. to work. So the "Federalization of hiring" already happened, eons ago. If you agree to that, why not have a central system confirm that valid SS nos. are being used, and that the owner has not reported identity theft?
24 posted on 12/23/2005 8:08:30 AM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: gubamyster

ping


25 posted on 12/23/2005 8:13:10 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: thoughtomator
Name these businesses please.

What makes you think that they even talked to any?

26 posted on 12/23/2005 8:53:58 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


27 posted on 12/23/2005 10:10:15 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: xzins

Start building the fence.

It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.


28 posted on 12/23/2005 10:14:06 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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So, the businesses who protest, send INS, or Border control and check for illegal aliens. We will probably find and be able to deport a lot of them.


29 posted on 12/23/2005 10:16:40 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


30 posted on 12/23/2005 10:27:45 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: xzins
Business lobbyists hope the Senate will include a guest worker program when it takes up immigration reform next year and they'll end up with a bill more to their liking.

That's exactly what Tancredo fears. When the final bill emerges from a House-Senate conference, "it will be very, very ugly," he predicts. "I am very worried about it."

Tancredo's fear of a "guest worker", watered down Senate version is warranted. Let's keep applying pressure to our Representatives and Senators to produce a strong, enforceable conference report on immigration.

31 posted on 12/23/2005 10:55:16 AM PST by afnamvet
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

"The SSA's "no match" letters for both employers and employees identify mismatches between reported W-2 data and the SSA Master Earnings File"

I don't know what the current rules are but it used to be a $50 penalty even for a misstyped SS# on a report. I closed my 55 year old construction co. in 1992 and a big part of the reason was I couldn't compete with the companies hiring illegals and wouldn't join their filth.

Their savings aren't just in what they pay in wages which in CA are currently $18-25/hr. cash with no deductions or comp insurance payments. A lot of them knowing that they are illegals make the deductions and pocket the money which further increases their profit.

In 92 when I shut down they were paying illegals $12-15/hr cash and my wages were costing me $23 plus $7.80 in fringe benefits which made it imposible to compete no matter what the rate of production or quality of work.


33 posted on 12/23/2005 11:19:43 AM PST by dalereed
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To: A. Pole

This posting hits on an aspect of the immigration debate most don't talk about: the business community is just as much a part of the problem as the politically correct crowd.

The scandal of border security is a bipartisan scandal.


34 posted on 12/23/2005 11:39:08 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: kenavi

"...why not have a central system confirm that valid SS nos. are being used, and that the owner has not reported identity theft?"

... and approve all hires for all businesses throughout the US in advance? (must have consistency, eh?) The idea that conservatives have so devolved as to give this federal overreach a big Hell Yea is depressing indeed.


35 posted on 12/23/2005 12:54:49 PM PST by MajorityOfOne
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Kenavi: "...why not have a central system confirm that valid SS nos. are being used, and that the owner has not reported identity theft?"

MOO:... and approve all hires for all businesses throughout the US in advance?

Is that what the bill says?
36 posted on 12/23/2005 2:11:40 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: thoughtomator
"Name the businesses please. I want to know who to boycott."

Stop eating chicken, beef, pork, and produce.

37 posted on 12/23/2005 4:21:52 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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"Construction industry lobbyists, however, say they've been trying for years to get young Americans interested in their profession but still face labor shortages despite an average wage of $19 an hour.

"A high school is not considered successful by how many people it sends to the construction industry," Knott says."

Total lies.

Go to your nearest trade tech high school and ask the kids who poses the greatest threat to them getting jobs in their chosen trades and without exception, they'll answer "illegals" .


38 posted on 12/23/2005 6:31:48 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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Yeah, they're kissing away big chunks of the economy - that could be filled by American workers.. like say jobs filled for a US based lumber company who uses large numbers of mexicans to do it's inventory work. They apparently travel from job to job and seem to have One guy in the bunch that can speak any english. I ran into such a group this week in my home town of all places. When I say "ran into" I rang sales up for them. Not one of them had any visable id in their wallets. The only visable id of any kind they did have was "84 lumber" on their hats and jackets. Illegals? Mere coincidence?


39 posted on 12/23/2005 6:53:03 PM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: thoughtomator

In my area there are college graduates working at McDonalds...And it's not by choice...


40 posted on 12/24/2005 5:27:08 AM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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