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Hard-liners Don't Speak For GOP
MiamiHerald ^ | Dec. 21, 2005 | Tamar Jacoby and Grover Norquist

Posted on 12/22/2005 4:12:12 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest

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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Many pro-immigration reform Republicans understood that and went along, not because they support the Sensenbrenner approach, but because they didn't want to buck the leadership or disregard the powerful committee chairman.

If they "went along" so as not to "buck the leadership or...," it's a first. The RINOs manage to have their say about everything under the sun mainly disagreeing with any conservative ideas and voting with the Democrats on anything of importance. IF they shut their mouths over this, there is only one reason - they know it's political suicide to take the opposite position just like the Democrats knew they had better keep their mouths closed over 9/11, and give the president their vote to conduct the war on terror even though it must have been hell for them to do so since we now know how they felt all along.

21 posted on 12/22/2005 4:30:02 PM PST by penowa
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To: Reaganwuzthebest; All

Grover Norquist, White House point man on immigration.

"If the Republican Party works with the Hispanic community, the immigrant community, they're natural allies. People who came to this country are more freedom-loving and more American than people who just happened to be born here because they made a decision to go to a great deal of trouble and effort to leave their parents and their family and their small towns or whatever to come to the United States. They're natural Reagan Republicans. As long as we're welcoming them, we win their votes.

We've seen, with some effort on the part of the Republicans to reach out to Hispanics, a tremendous increase in our support in Hispanics. In Florida, where it's second nature for the Republican Party to work with Hispanics, we carry a majority of the non-Cuban Hispanic vote and more than a majority of the Cuban vote. We have, when we have worked at it, carried a majority of the Asian-American vote. So immigration is something that if Pat Buchanan became our nominee, we would lose the immigrant vote. But the strength of George Bush is that he was [the] pro-immigrant, pro-trade Reaganite in the race, and that was the winning issue, not just in the primary but in the general [election], and also the winning strategy for governor. A Republican Party which becomes anti-immigrant will become a minority party."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/interviews/norquist.html

If any of you have seen Norquist on TV, you will notice he uses the same emotional, nonsensical talking points we have had foisted on us. He simply cannot say "illegal immigration". Looks like the majority of our congress is now "Anti-immigrant" according to him.


22 posted on 12/22/2005 4:33:00 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: GLDNGUN
God forbid that it should happen......The general opinion is that it will happen. The 9-11 commission, for whatever that is worth, said it would happen..We would hope that when it does, it is not in our neighborhood, but it must be in somebody's neighborhood.

When it happens, the usual suspects....Durbin, Kennedy, Pelosi, Boxer, Dingy Harry....et al ought to be rounded up and shipped to Gitmo, never to be heard from again....EVER!

We would also hope that there is some shadow-y group in our government that is going around taking care of business by quietly eliminating sleepers in our country....and taking care of any "journalists" who stumble onto the operation.

23 posted on 12/22/2005 4:34:27 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Democrats railed against the legislation, standing up, member after member, to defend our tradition as a nation of immigrants.

Democrats think their base is Illegal Immigrants, and minority's so they are playing to their base!

24 posted on 12/22/2005 4:35:35 PM PST by rocksblues (John McCain says adopt a terrorist today!)
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To: penowa

The RINOs manage to have their say about everything under the sun mainly disagreeing with any conservative ideas and voting with the Democrats on anything of importance.
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A huge problem. Too bad the other Repubs don't have the cajones to put these stinking RINOs up against the wall politically. The conservative voters should boot them out.


25 posted on 12/22/2005 4:35:37 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Agreed. The border fence should have been put up the day after 9/11.

Isn't that the truth. He had a short window of opportunity to do the right thing by our country and he let the chance slip away.

By the way, Mehlman is a RINO in the worst kind of way. He as to go as chairman or this party won't show a hair's difference from the dems in a few years.

As a side note, here's the letter I sent to the Allyn company who is going to run an advertising campaign for Mexico against the proposed wall. Their email is info@allynco.com

As an employee of one of the companies you do advertising for - American Airlines - I was distressed to see you have taken a contract with the Mexican government to do an advertising campaign against the proposed border wall.

America and its future should be put ahead of making money. It is shameful that you would take this contract. Are you unaware of the costs of illegal immigration on our country?

This so-called cheap labor is not so cheap both in terms of actual costs and in the exposure we face with terrorism if our borders remain unsecured.

Are you aware that 1/3 of our federal prisoners are illegals? Every day Americans are faced with an increasing crime rate because of illegal immigration. See this article about a gang rape by 14 illegals in Florida: http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051004/NEWS01/510040452/1075

I could send you many more reports of similar incidents. The cost to our citizens both in their safety and in their pocket book (70-80 billion dollars nationwide in welfare, medical, educational and law enforcement cost by recent estimates) is staggering.

Now that our Congress has finally decided to do something worthwhile about this problem, your company steps in and tries to stop it.

If you come out publicly and say that in good conscience you would not want to aid any effort to block this much needed border wall, that would be the best PR your company could ever get.

On the flip side, there are many who are starting a campaign to try to wrest some of your clients from you because of this decision you've made.

I hope you will see that pulling this advertising campaign is not only the right thing to do for our nation, but also the best thing to do for your bottom line.

Thank you,
26 posted on 12/22/2005 4:36:15 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Norquist has also been exposed as the founder of the Islamic Insitute, a group believed to be funded by foreign governments, Wahhab Islam elements in Saudi Arabia, and U.S. Muslim groups recently raided by a special Treasury Department task force for funding Al Qaeda and Palestinian terrorists.

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Norquist's relationship with Muslim groups that support terrorism became public after Norquist launched an unexpected and inexplicably vitriolic attack against Frank Gaffney, the President of the Center for Security Policy.

During a routine Conservative Political Action Conference meeting in early February, Gaffney participated in a panel discussion about the balance to be struck in time of war between preserving civil liberties and safeguarding American's lives and safety. Gafney expressed concern about one of the most insidious of the Wahhabis' activities, a concerted attempt to penetrate and influence the Executive and Legislative branch of our government.


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Norquist responded to Gaffney's comments by calling Gaffney a racist and religious bigot in an appearance on Fox News Channel and in letters sent to the Washington Post and Washington Times and barring Gaffney from attending the most important meeting in Washington, the regular Wednesday meetings of conservative Capitol Hill aides and interest-group representatives held in Norquist's offices.

It is unclear whether the Muslims who have been acting as White House gatekeepers - Ali Tulbah and Suhail Kahn - were actually placed in that position by Grover Norquist's Islamic Institute. Norquist is credited with delivering the Muslim vote for Bush in the 2000 election and has the ear of the most influential man in Washington, Karl Rove, President Bush's political advisor. Rove has been a featured speaker at Norquist's Wednesday meetings.

Although it is not noted on either group's website, Norquist's Islamic Institute actually shares office space and staff with Americans for Tax Reform.

According to news reports, while Norquist served as founding Chairman of the Islamic Institute the group received seed money from Abdurahman Alamoudi, then a member of the left-wing American Muslim Council. MSNBC and Fox News have aired videotapes of Alamoudi standing in front of the White House, declaring his support for Hamas and Hezbollah. Hamas is currently one of the leading groups responsible for Palestinian suicide bombers. Hezbollah, sponsored by the Iranian government, was responsible for the death of 240 Marines in Beirut in the 1980s and is believed to be responsible for the attack on Khobar Towers, a barracks in Saudi Arabia.

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Since 9/11, Norquist has led opposition to domestic anti-terrorism laws and has been quoted in frontpage NY times articles allelging a wholesale loss of faith by conservatives in Attorney General Josh Ashcroft. Norquist has also attacked Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson, and others who have attempted to alert Americans to the dangers of Islam.



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27 posted on 12/22/2005 4:36:21 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
A few brave GOP dissenters stood up to say that we can have both -- can remain a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.

Sure, we can remain a nation of LEGAL immigrants.

ILLEGAL immigrants are called ILLEGAL immigrants for a reason.

28 posted on 12/22/2005 4:37:43 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

Did Norquist really say these illegals are more American that people born here?

If he did, that is outrageous!


29 posted on 12/22/2005 4:38:25 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: Itzlzha; Stellar Dendrite

vomit inducing article...


30 posted on 12/22/2005 4:39:20 PM PST by flashbunny (To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Okay from the hard RIGHT, the softies who brought us the big-tent RINOS....

they don't have any idea of where to go or how to get there...

Just get along with the Democrats is their only program.

31 posted on 12/22/2005 4:41:24 PM PST by pointsal
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Jacoby is known as a huge open borders advocate, BTW.


32 posted on 12/22/2005 4:42:40 PM PST by HighFlier
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

On April 2, 2005 Norquist married Palestinian activist and former high school classmate Samah Alrayyes.




Alrayyes has radical Islamic credentials of her own; she served as communications director at the Islamic Free Market Institute, the Islamist organization Norquist helped found. Now, she is employed as a public affairs officer at the U.S. Agency for International Development – and so it appears that yet another Islamist finds employment in a branch of the U.S. government.

Norquist has for some years now been promoting Islamist organizations, including even the Council on American-Islamic Relations; for example, he spoke at CAIR's conference, "A Better America in a Better World" on October 5, 2004. Frank Gaffney has researched Norquist's ties to Islamists in his exhaustive, careful, and convincing study, "Agent of Influence" and concludes that Norquist is enabling "a political influence operation to advance the causes of radical Islamists, and targeted most particularly at the Bush Administration."


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33 posted on 12/22/2005 4:44:29 PM PST by kcvl
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To: WatchingInAmazement

When corporate America wants cheap labor, their money will flow into leftist activists groups, MSM and Park Avenue ad companies to fight us. Atleast the Latino advocate groups are honest, they stand in front of us and shout at us. Corporate America is from the back, in the dark and thru a third party. They are the traitors to the American nation on illegal immigration.


34 posted on 12/22/2005 4:45:31 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: kcvl
Norquist has also attacked Daniel Pipes, Steve Emerson, and others who have attempted to alert Americans to the dangers of Islam.

Grover's obviously not paying attention to the recent events in France, Denmark, Holland and Australia otherwise he wouldn't be attacking Americans speaking out on the danger of Islam. Either that or he's a nut.

35 posted on 12/22/2005 4:45:50 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

What nonsense.


36 posted on 12/22/2005 4:46:36 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Norquist is also considered in some conservative circles to be soft on radical Islam. His wife, Samah Alrayyes, is a longtime Islamic activist and Norquist is credited with finding her employment at USAID in the current administration. He has been standoffish when questioned as to whether he has converted to Islam, which is a common premarital requirement when a non-believer marries a devout Muslim. He has also been criticized for speaking at CAIR events and for supporting the "special relationship" between the US and Saudi Arabia. His stock is therefore dropping among conservatives who are particularly concerned about extremist Islam.
37 posted on 12/22/2005 4:50:06 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Hilariously, purely Miami Herald at it's best - even 'Commissar Carl' Hiasson couldn't be more whacky.

The Herald is trying to spin the unspinable. America doesn't approve of the illegals, knows the immense costs (financial and cultural) of the illegals, and wants them stopped.

The Republicans are stopping them. And the Communism Lite types at the Herald are deeply saddened.

I, on the other hand, know that the Herald has shrunk substantially over the last few years. And I know it will be smaller next year.

Message to the Herald: May the coming New Year bring you all that you deserve. ;-)


38 posted on 12/22/2005 4:51:10 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

J.D. Hayworth is against a guest worker program.
I hope the guest worker program will never pass and anchor babies born here NOT be granted citizenship!


39 posted on 12/22/2005 4:51:33 PM PST by stopem (Keep the spirit of Christmas in your heart all year long! Merry Christmas to all !!!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON VOLUNTARY FOREIGN AID


Samah Alrayyes, Bureau for Legislative and Public Affairs, USAID


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But raising questions about the Islamic Institute's ties to the imprisoned Alamoudi wasn't enough for the "Jihad-Watchers." They next got very personal -- as alarm-bell ringers just about always do. In April, Norquist married Samah Alrayyes, a Palestinian Muslim who had worked for the Islamic Institute and who currently does public-affairs work for the U.S. Agency for International Development. No less a figure than Daniel Pipes -- a Harvard-trained historian and the author of a dozen books on subjects including Islam, the Middle East, and the role of conspiracy theories in American and European politics -- weighed in with a few paragraphs on his blog endorsing speculation that Norquist had converted to Islam as a result of his marriage. (In fact, according to a friend, Norquist remains a Methodist; his wife remains a Muslim.) Norquist's bride, Pipes continued, "has radical Islamic credentials of her own" by virtue of her work for the Islamic Institute. And as for her job with U.S. AID, Pipes added, "it appears that yet another Islamist finds employment in a branch of the U.S. government."


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Norquist said he was being targeted by "bigots." He declined to talk for the record about Alamoudi. Saffuri, who recently resigned from the Islamic Institute and is now a full-time lobbyist in Washington, told me he distanced himself from Alamoudi in 2000, after his former boss declared his public support for Hamas and Hezbollah. Saffuri says he had no knowledge of Alamoudi's criminal activities and that Alamoudi had deceived him.

In response, Gaffney says the "bigot" rap is just Norquist blowing "smoke," and not an explanation "for the company he has been keeping." Gaffney added, "I would be happy to go toe-to-toe with Grover Norquist anytime, anyplace." The pair still work on the same floor of that L Street office building -- but they avoid each other.


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40 posted on 12/22/2005 4:54:08 PM PST by kcvl
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