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Unwarranted Outrage - The Times blew our cover.
National Review Online ^ | December 19, 2005, 8:59 a.m. | James S. Robbins

Posted on 12/19/2005 1:53:38 PM PST by Cinnamon

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To: Justanobody; Holdek

Precisely. I have no idea why Holdek would make a statement in vaccum about citizens being targeted and their rights being violated without fully reading and understanding the article.


21 posted on 12/19/2005 2:13:59 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: Cinnamon

"For all we know our intelligence agencies have been exploiting these types of communications for years without the terrorists knowing it. Now they will fall silent, because now the bad guys know better. So New York Times writer James Risen will sell his book, the Times will increase circulation, politicians will beat their breasts and send out fundraising letters, and who will pay in the end? "

Who indeed.

I would hope the leakers and publishers also pay.A very tiny glimmer of hope is all I have.


22 posted on 12/19/2005 2:14:33 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Holdek
"That's about as smart as saying that defense attorneys in the U.S. love crime."

As long as it pays monetarily OR ideologically.

23 posted on 12/19/2005 2:14:37 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Holdek

I think you need to do some more research.


24 posted on 12/19/2005 2:15:03 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Holdek

Oh boy. You just don't want to read the article still, do you?


25 posted on 12/19/2005 2:15:06 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: Holdek
"I'm no fan of Clark, but he deserves recognition and respect for stepping to to assist US in getting Saddam Hussein a real trial so we can do this right."

He deserves to be spit on THEN hung for aiding and abetting an enemy AND as a traitor to the United States of America....

And that's just for his past "work."

26 posted on 12/19/2005 2:17:08 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: indianrightwinger

I've read the article.

You can't dance around the fact that spying on U.S. citizens private communications is ILLEGAL and because it goes against the Constitution. No amount wiggling will get you out of it.


27 posted on 12/19/2005 2:17:28 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek
There is no Iraqi law written dealing with mass murder and oppression, or crimes against humanity.

source?

28 posted on 12/19/2005 2:18:09 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: Minnesoootan

How does one prove a negative?


29 posted on 12/19/2005 2:19:06 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek
spying on U.S. citizens private communications

source?

30 posted on 12/19/2005 2:19:37 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: Cinnamon
You don't actually expect leftists to read, do you? If they read the Patriot Act, they'd find out that there isn't really anything in there to complain about. I think the real objection is that many leftists know that it would be easy to mistake them for enemies of the United States and thus fear being the subject of such surveilance.
31 posted on 12/19/2005 2:19:37 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Holdek

"I've read the article."

Happy you read the article. But you just have not understood what you have read. No hope.


32 posted on 12/19/2005 2:21:48 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Holdek

You are stating it as fact,I want your source.


33 posted on 12/19/2005 2:22:08 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: Minnesoootan

Read the New York Times article on this. It's what blew the whole thing up.


34 posted on 12/19/2005 2:22:41 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek

I have read what Clark says..Try it.

Of course Saddam must have defense attorneys for a fair trial..Clark is still anti American. He has been for years.

http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/clark.htm
THE MYSTERIOUS RAMSEY CLARK:
STALINIST DUPE OR RULING-CLASS SPOOK?


35 posted on 12/19/2005 2:22:43 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Holdek
I've read the article.

Then your comprehension skills are lacking.

36 posted on 12/19/2005 2:22:47 PM PST by Skooz (Santa's laughter mocks the poor.)
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To: Holdek

Actually, any US citizen working in concert with a foreign power is not longer protected.

Go read the law:


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/50/chapters/36/subchapters/i/toc.html


37 posted on 12/19/2005 2:23:26 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Holdek

Can't get there from here,how about you explain it to me? the New York Times has proof that US citizens are being tapped? where did they get the info? and did the Times say that tapping is illegal because of the Bill Of Rights?


38 posted on 12/19/2005 2:25:47 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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To: Minnesoootan

That is basic knowledge. If I have to explain it to you further, it's not likely you'll understand any other points made regarding this topic (or many others for that matter, lol!).


39 posted on 12/19/2005 2:26:29 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek

OK,g'bye!


40 posted on 12/19/2005 2:27:23 PM PST by Minnesoootan
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