Unwarranted Outrage - The Times blew our cover.

National Review Online ^ | December 19, 2005, 8:59 a.m. | James S. Robbins

[liberty_lvr]

Well, I'm not so sure he was a troll...more like a stubborn teenager. My young college-aged daughter tries to argue just like this one did: never believing their own assumptions could in any way be flawed from the beginning so completely unwilling to give any ground as their position is slowly eroded away by facts and precedent.

I think this Freeper is either very young and cocky or he was just flaming the more gullible for fun.

[daybreakcoming]

I came into this thread cold and had no intention of responding to anything but you took the cake. Why? Because you do not understand that you do not understand. Or is it because you wish to stir doubt with unfounded facts? I have seen that is an impossible task to try this with FReepers - you will go down losing because they will dig for facts rather than your "what ifs", "at least to our knowledge", "It doesn't really matter", "but that's neither here nor there.", "That is basic knowledge", and on and on.
You have taken on the wrong crowd this time.

[DJ MacWoW]

It's difficult to hold the "party line" when there are Freepers with facts. :)

[GRRRRR]

Sorry, but the government has gone overboard here and is probably in violation of the law. See we have a Bill of Rights that precludes spying on citizens without a warrant.

Shirley you can't be sirius??

We have been waiting for four years to find a single American Citizen that has had his civil rights violated without due process. If you know of one, please let me know.

INTERNATIONAL CALLS of suspected terrorists! RTFFP! G

[okie01]

I'm no fan of Clark, but he deserves recognition and respect for stepping to to assist US in getting Saddam Hussein a real trial so we can do this right.

If you believe Ramsey Clark has any interest in "assisting the US" to "do this right", you are sadly mistaken.

Ramsey Clark is a founder of the World Workers Party, a Stalinist front, and International ANSWER. He is as anti-American as they come.

His only interest in representing Saddam is to embarrass the United States (note: not Bush, not Republicans, but the United States).

[Arrowhead1952]

About 30 minutes since the last reply, and I call DU troll on Holdek.

[karnage]

I love Ramsey Clark because his mere idiotic, America-hating existence is an ongoing testament to our country's greatness. Most countries would have whacked him out long ago.

[Cinnamon]

The Author is referring to the MSM's outrage over this matter. this the same crowd that howled over V. Plame being exposed by "insiders"

[Arrowhead1952]

Meg, I think that the DU troll went running back to mommie for help.

[Arrowhead1952]

My "just turned 20" daughter has more between her ears than this person has, and yes, she is a blond.

[GRRRRR]

Seem to remember that the hero of the left, Bill Clinton had a fine spying operation going during his two terms.

Where was the outrage at the NYSLimes when Clinton's NSA was using ECHELON...see http://www.newsmax.com: "During the 1990s, President Bill Clinton ordered the National Security Agency to use its super-secret Echelon surveillance program to monitor the personal telephone calls and private email of employees who worked for foreign companies in a bid to boost U.S. trade, NewsMax.com has learned."

[DJ MacWoW]

About 30 minutes since the last reply, and I call DU troll on Holdek.

I agree. Have you read his other posts? Interesting.

[MeanWestTexan]

Not to mention the ever-famous "VoteToImpeach.org" group that is actively trying to get W impeached.

Clark is the BASE of the Democratic Party.

And he supports Saddam Hussein.

It's telling.

[MeanWestTexan]

"Interesting?"

Heck, I responded to his posts. Interesting like the parallel universe where Kirk is evil.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

This isn't just partisanship.

No it isn't. It is blind hatred of anything Bush and a blind obedience to a code of ethics that tells them to do anything at all to regain power.

[liberty_lvr]

LOL!

So's mine (blond), but she's also a lot smarter than this knucklehead!

Anyway, agreed - I guess you can call troll on this one after all...

[Holdek]

LOL

Taken on the wrong crowd? All I see here is: But it's okay to violate the Constitution and the law, I want to feel safe!

That is not an argument.

The law clearly requires a court warrant for wiretapping U.S. citizens.

[DJ MacWoW]

Heck, I responded to his posts. Interesting like the parallel universe where Kirk is evil.

His responses on another thread were trollish too. ;)

Holdek Posts

[liberty_lvr]

OK, now I know you're just a moron flaming people to get a reaction.

P!ss off, junior, the adults are having a conversation.

[proud American in Canada]

There are no "exceptions" to the Bill of Rights just because the President says so. That's the whole purpose of a warrant, to provide a check on the executive by requiring some type of evidence that the "citizen is functioning as an enemy agent."

None of the Constitutional amendments provides blanket protection, no ifs, ands, or buts. Please see the Kelo case, or CFR, as two obvious examples.

Welcome to FR, btw.