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Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry

Boy, they just get wierder and wierder. This guy basicly says he doesn't give a damn what facts and reason say.

The one that has always dropped my jaw has been the one about the Grand Canyon and the Great Flood. This guy's statements about the Great Flood prove the old adage that you can't win an argument with a fool. Of course, the fool never realizes he is a fool so he just wouldn't understand why 3,000 scientists won't debate him.


61 posted on 12/17/2005 7:24:05 AM PST by DaGman
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To: Full Court
"What Hovind exposes is the fact that believers in the religion of evolutionist theory GLUED the moths to trees to try and support their "thoery.""

No, that is not what happened. It was only in a few pictures that this was done, and only to have two moths shown together, a light and a dark one side by side for contrast. This would probably never happen in nature, but was necessary for the comparison. The rest of the pictures were of single moths that were photographed on tree trunks; these were not *glued* there. They were photographed in the wild as is. Creationists who use this in an effort to discredit the studies are woefully ignorant about how nature photography works.

" Needless to say, after the evolutionist got through pasting the moths to tress, they were still moths."

Since nobody was saying the study was an example of speciation, what is your point?

" Yeah Kent for exposing the ignorant people behind evolution!!!"

How many of his videos did he sucker you into buying? :)
62 posted on 12/17/2005 7:24:48 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: shuckmaster; Senator Bedfellow; AntiScumbag

Where do you get the idea that Hovind is fleecing people to the tune of millions of dollars???

That is totally ludicrious!!!

He produces materials that people are free to buy or not buy. He never goes to speak at any church without being invited and he does not charge churches to come.

Before you go around lying about the guy and making yourself look like an idiot, you ought to get a few facts.


63 posted on 12/17/2005 7:26:49 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: DaGman

No way is Kent Hovind a fool. He is a rich man, who got that way by exploiting the gullibility of fundamentalist Christians, and telling them what they want to hear. A very clever charlatan who makes use of the "one born every minute".


64 posted on 12/17/2005 7:28:30 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: AntiScumbag
They love his tax-exempt theme park!

Now aren't you really showing your ignorance. The "theme park" is a hands on kids activity place in the back yard of his home. Any admission feee (which I think is 5 dollars) goes to support the missionaries that work there.

65 posted on 12/17/2005 7:29:35 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Full Court
Before you go around lying about the guy and making yourself look like an idiot, you ought to get a few facts.

The facts as they pertain to the lying charlatan Kent Hovind are freely available on the internet. The best primary source that demonstrates his dishonesty is his own website. You only have to look at the ludicrous YEC arguments on his website (arguments so stupid and dishonest that even other creationist lie-sites like AiG say that they are stupid and dishonest) to see what kind of man we are dealing with here.

66 posted on 12/17/2005 7:31:36 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; Thatcherite

He makes very little money off the materials he produces because he does not copyright them. He allows people to copy them and do with them what they will.

He has some excellent materials at a great price. But he never tries to charge people more than what they are worth and if you called him today and told him you needed something and could not afford it, he would give it away to you for free.

I have personally seen him do that.

So stop trying to malign the guy and get your facts straight before you post lies about the man on a public forum.



67 posted on 12/17/2005 7:31:49 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
How many of his videos did he sucker you into buying? :)

I wouldn't have to buy any, he allows people to copy them and give them away.

But one of my favorites is where is exposes the frauds in evolution like Piltdoan Man, Glued Moths, human fetuses drawn to look like pig fetuses, the way Hawking pretends like the Law of recapitulation just doesn't exist. Oh, the list is long.

See, people who believe in the religion of evolution have to make us fairy tales to prove their "theory."

Sad.

68 posted on 12/17/2005 7:35:21 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Full Court
I have personally seen him do that.

Interesting. What exactly is your relationship with Hovind? Under what circumstances did you see him give his material away to the needy?

69 posted on 12/17/2005 7:35:57 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Thatcherite
He is a rich man

Oh yeah, now we have another ignoramous on the thread. Hovind is not rich by any means.

Why do you evo's have to create fiction to try and support your weak theories?

You can't prove the guy wrong so you try and pretend he is some Jim Bakker wanna be who is fleecing millions of people of millions of dollars.

What a crock. His amusment park is in the back yard of his three bed room home in Pensacola.

71 posted on 12/17/2005 7:38:28 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Full Court
Where do you get the idea that Hovind is fleecing people to the tune of millions of dollars???

The lien against him is a matter of public record - one of the IRS agents on the case has publicly stated that they have records of bank deposits exceeding $1 million/year for Hovind. Estimating his income from the amount the IRS claims he owes is a simple matter - do the math yourself, if you like.

Also, Hovind's 1996 Chapter 13 petition to recover his cars was tossed out of court as a sham - the IRS never apologized and did not, to the best of my kowledge, return the cars. If they did, it's almost certainly because he paid the back taxes owed.

As for me lying about him, let him subpoena my identity from FR and sue me for libel. I'm more that willing to stand by what I said.

72 posted on 12/17/2005 7:40:04 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Full Court
The theory of evolution has about 5 frauds associated with it in the last 150 years. Peppered moths are not a fraud, the photographic techniques used are absolutely standard, and are designed to show why the colouring adaption is useful.

All the real frauds were all exposed by the normal process of science. Not one was exposed by a creationist. In fact Piltdown man was increasingly seen as an irrelevant anomaly precisely because it didn't fit in with the pattern of hominid finds. Because creationists don't have any theory that explains the pattern of fossil finds they had no basis for rejecting Piltdown.

Most churches would die for the freedom from fraud and error associated with ToE over the last 150 years, and its demonstrable ability to police itself and to discover its own frauds and errors.

73 posted on 12/17/2005 7:41:07 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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To: Thatcherite
(arguments so stupid and dishonest that even other creationist lie-sites like AiG say that they are stupid and dishonest)

AIG would like to think that they own the creationsim movement,but they don't. Their biggest problem with Hovind is that he tells them that they are not going to dictate to him. They hate that.

He also chastizes them for copyrighting their materials and trying to make a buck off the people who need the information.

They hate Kent for being generous and giving stuff away. It just makes them look selfish.

74 posted on 12/17/2005 7:41:38 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Full Court
"But one of my favorites is where is exposes the frauds in evolution like Piltdoan Man, Glued Moths, human fetuses drawn to look like pig fetuses, the way Hawking pretends like the Law of recapitulation just doesn't exist. Oh, the list is long."

Piltdownman was exposed by evolutionists decades ago. The moths, as I already told you, were not glued on to the trees in the photos that were taken of them individually. This would be 99% of the photos of them. Haeckel's drawings were exposed almost immediately, and were not used by Darwin to promote evolution. Hawking? Do you mean the physicist?

Here's a link I am sure you will not look at:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wells/iconob.html

" See, people who believe in the religion of evolution have to make us fairy tales to prove their "theory."

Sad."

Some people like Hovind (who has a fake degree) have to dupe uneducated boobs out of their money in order to make a living.
75 posted on 12/17/2005 7:42:11 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Baraonda
"In another time, another age, its adherents used to be burned at the stake or given the rope."

I am sure that is what you wish to do to people who agree with evolution, but fortunately you are just another shmoo hiding behind your keyboard.
76 posted on 12/17/2005 7:43:52 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Thatcherite
What exactly is your relationship with Hovind? Under what circumstances did you see him give his material away to the needy?

I have visited with Dr. Hovind on many occasions in Pensacola, including the "theme park."
I have had ample opportunity to observe his operation, every there is open doors. I am not a personal friend of his and there are areas which I would disagree with him, but I know that he is not some kind of rip off artist like you people would like to paint him.

I have seen him give materials away on more than one occasion and his materials are not copyright, so anything he sells can be copied and passed around. However, many people copy his stuff and then sell it. So more people make a profit off his stuff than he does.

77 posted on 12/17/2005 7:45:28 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Also, Hovind's 1996 Chapter 13 petition to recover his cars was tossed out of court as a sham - the IRS never apologized and did not, to the best of my kowledge, return the cars. If they did, it's almost certainly because he paid the back taxes owed.

Well bro, looks like you don't know squat then, because he has the cars back.
Better check your facts better next time.

78 posted on 12/17/2005 7:47:07 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
The lien against him is a matter of public record - one of the IRS agents on the case has publicly stated that they have records of bank deposits exceeding $1 million/year for Hovind.

THat would be interesting to see, but I doubt you can furnish it.

However, he does have a ministry where he goes and speaks to churches and he does sell products that he produces. Are you implying that he is not intitled to the fruit of his labor?

79 posted on 12/17/2005 7:49:06 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
As for me lying about him, let him subpoena my identity from FR and sue me for libel. I'm more that willing to stand by what I said.

The point is that you don't know what you are talking about. YOu have stated things about Dr. H that are not true.

Why would you do something like that?

80 posted on 12/17/2005 7:50:17 AM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, do you think it's optional?)
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