Senate Blocks Extension of Patriot Act (and the left and Al Qaeda cheered in unison)

AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/16/05 | Jesse J. Holland - ap

[af_vet_rr]

I just want to know what you can't do as a result of the Patriot Act.

I'm going to preface this by saying that I had the opportunity to visit East Germany, Poland, and the Soviet Union years before they collapsed, as a member of a delegation while in the military. That reinforced the belief, to me, that freedom must be defended at all costs, and that's partially why I am an ardent Conservative (the other part being my upbringing).

The viewpoint I'm about to present is one that can only be acquired through age, experience and having children and grandchildren.

This debate about the PA, it's not about what you or I can or cannot do if it's passed.

What it's about, is what our children, their children, and their children's grandchildren will be able to do, and how they will be able to live their life, if these incremental steps down a very slippery slope continue to be taken. The PA is just one small part of that.

[FreedomCalls]

Would a "no comment" satisfy you?

If you call and get a "no comment" from them rather than a denial, then I'll concede that there's some smoke there. It would then be worth investigating to see if there is actually a fire. I suspect they will just outright deny it though.

[highball]

I just hate this enemy and, MYSELF, I am willing to put up with bends in my liberties in order to make the country safer.

I understand your frustration. But you don't get to make that decision. You cannot just sign away your own liberty without also bargaining away mine, and your neighbor's, and the rest of ours.

We must heed Ben Franklin's warning, even now. Especially now.

[sport]

Why is he even there.?



59 posted on 12/16/2005 10:31:13 AM PST by Burlem

He is there because President Bush and the Republican hierarchy wanted him there.

[mrmargaritaville]

This or any legislation like this, in the hands of the radical left, when they are in power will be used to spy on, bully, intimidate and scare ANYONE who doe not go along with their way of thinking. Clinton used the IRS, the ATF and the FBI to go after and destroy anyone how did not share his world view, it will be no different if another Clinton (Hillary), or Kerry or Edwards gets into office. I am confident that the intelligence community does not need anything like the Patriot Act to catch terrorists.

[eskimo]

Wait, he said that?

Supposedly according to an article in Capitol Hill Blue by a guy named Doug Thompson, Dec 9.

When?

That's in the article.

[ScreamingFist]

What do these provisions of the Patriot Act have to do with fighting terrorism?

Let me repeat this for all the "liberty challenged" on FR...reads like another big government give away program...oh, it is, never mind.

[oh8eleven]

Our focus should be on securing our borders instead of invading the privacy of Americans.
Really? Focus this...

[antiRepublicrat]

And trademark infringement is enforced by homeland security?

DHS took over Customs. One of Customs' jobs is to stop items that violate our IP from entering the country. A common example of their legitimate enforcement in relation to trademark is when they seize shipments of counterfeit designer clothes and watches. I do not believe it requires a court order.

If you have a valuable trademark or copyright, you can register it with Customs so they will know to look out for counterfeit items entering the country and detain or sieze them. If you're not registered and they still catch something, they may still detain items in the case of a clear and obvious infringement, but will not detain items that are simply suspected of infringement.

What I don't understand is telling a store to remove items from the shelf. All the directives I've seen say to sieze or detain the items. In a circumstance such as this, it already being in the country in stores all over, I'd expect an infringement suit against the manufacturer by the holder of the IP, but of course this one would have been thrown out immediately.

[TheEaglehasLanded]

This is good, the USA Patriot Act should go. We don't need the government checking Americans banking, business, medical, library, gun purchasing records.

The Dems and 4 Republicans did us a favor today

[TheEaglehasLanded]

This is good, the USA Patriot Act should go. We don't need the government checking Americans banking, business, medical, library, gun purchasing records. Entering your home and not having to tell you for 30 days after a search.

The Dems and 4 Republicans did us a favor today

[FreedomCalls]

The Founding Fathers never had to think about sitting on a bus sitting next to a guy who has a bomb strapped to his chest.

On the contrary, they stood a greater chance of being killed in a "terror" attack than you do. (click on the picture to enlarge)

[ScreamingFist]

Here's a word of advice for all Americans - if you don't want to be a suspect, don't behave in suspicious ways.

OK. I'll quite posting to the hardcore, rightwing forum FreeRepublic immediately....wouldn't want hillary and friends thinking I'm a nazi.....

[antiRepublicrat]

He didn't risk his life so you could hide your emails.

I did. You're welcome, FC.

[sport]

When Hillary gets to be President she will do what she wants to do with or without the Patroit Act.

[antiRepublicrat]

You keep making the most excellent posts.

[Joe_October]

.... Of course, you won't mind 'splainin that, would you?...

Terrorists blow up cities crawling with Blue citizens.

Would you want to be the person who voted No when your city gets blown up?

(We don't need the government's help in middle America for this problem, we own guns.)

[IrishRainy]

You might remind Mr. Feingold that in order for "a chill to go up my spine," he would have to HAVE one in the first place...

[jimbo123]

Osama Bin Laden thanks you for your support.

[redgolum]

When Hillary gets to be President she will do what she wants to do with or without the Patroit Act.

No doubt she would. But why make it legal?