Posted on 12/16/2005 9:47:11 AM PST by NormsRevenge
Wow. Just... wow.
I can't see our Founding Fathers ever condoning such a statement.
Are you seriously suggesting that if a right isn't specifically listed in the Constitution, it isn't a right?
Perhaps you are familiar with the Ninth Amendment?
The Founding Fathers never had to think about sitting on a bus sitting next to a guy who has a bomb strapped to his chest.
Fix what's wrong, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. I think that's reasonable.
And for those who worry about Hillary using these powers, will revoking the Patriot Act really matter? It would have the same impact as gun control laws have on criminals.
Well, that's a good rule. Perhaps if the incident continues to be discussed additional information will be presented. Too quiet though, not even an official snicker at the thought.
They will then deny it. Will that satisfy you?
Would a "no comment" satisfy you?
Actually I did forget about that one, but I don't believe that it really happened.
The PATRIOT Act was in effect so there was no terrorism.
/smartass mode
I truly did forget that incident, but it does go to show you that you cannot stop random attacks perpetrated by someone who doesn't mind dying for his cause.
No amount of PATRIOT Act prying can stop an attack when a lone gunmen can just make up a plan and go out and execute it.
He didn't risk his life so you could hide your emails.
This is no different than a soldier seeking out and killing an enemy, yet you feel that emails deserve special treatment???????????????
That was a reason for the sunset clause, that Congress would have to go back and reauthorize those items that are absolutely necessary, leaving out the junk. It's held up because the authoritarians wanted to keep all the junk in there.
Obviously some people have very different views about what constitutes "torture". What some call "torture", others call "job training" or even "fun" - unfortunately, that's not a joke.
On the other hand, the Founding Fathers were very familiar with an uncontrollable, unaccountable government. They feared that more than anything.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
—Benjamin Franklin
He abused every single government institution, bar none. Yet these same lefties are now screaming about the privacy of emails?
I hate to get into these discussions about the PA. Because I get so fired up and I do say things that make it seem like I don't value the Constitution.
Now I'm cooler. Yes. I concede that there are implied rights of privacy. And yes. I'm familiar with the 9th Amendment.
I just hate this enemy and, MYSELF, I am willing to put up with bends in my liberties in order to make the country safer.
I do see your point (along with the others) and I'm much more of a strict Constitutionalist than you might think. I just want something that works like the PA when it comes to restricting the loopholes the bad guys can use to escape criminal investigation.
Like I said, this enemy doesn't play by the rules. And sometimes, our own rules get in the way. And it frustrates me.
Do you believe that our rights are limited to those enumerated in the BOR?
I am so sick and tired of people saying that we have no right to privacy. I know that it is borne of the desire to reverse Roe v Wade, but the right is shooting itself in the foot with this argument.
I have to run right now, but I will be back later to complete this post.
The REAL outrage here is HOW the TIMES and MSM manage to get this information and the fact that they publish it. The publics RIGHT to know does NOT TRUMP National Security and I for one would love to see these leaks INVESTIGATED and some kind of law enacted that outlaws NATIONAL SECURITY information from being PUBLISHED in a TIME OF WAR.
If the Patriot Act is NOT renewed then we go back to PRE 911 ways and that my friends means the GORELICK WALL will once again prevail and future attacks made MUCH MORE LIKELY.
If that happens and there is another attack on our nation's soil, I WONDER WHO WE ON FR WILL BLAME THEN??
No it is not a good thing and ordinary Americans are not in danger of losing any civil liberties as a result of this law just as they have NOT lost any during the period of its being in force.
The Border issue is not essentially national security but political and economic. Al Queda is not going to come over the border with Mexico now Canada is a different matter.
Uh... I don't know if I should tell you this or not, but ,this is apart of securing our borders.
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