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Education panel stalls curriculum vote for creationism appeal [S. Carolina, another Kansas?]
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Posted on 12/14/2005 6:23:06 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: farmer18th
parabolic, unless it's a very fast projectile.
Your comments just don't make sense to me.
We expose dividing cells to radiation. Some of them have altered genomes.
Is it really such a stretch to infer that a photon or neutron or whatever hit the replicating genetic material at just the right time and place to disrupt the copying of one base?
We expose dividing cells to certain chemicals that are in some ways similar to the DNA/RNA bases. Again, mutations occur; isn't that what one would expect if the similar chemical got in the way?
We observe mutations in nature. We know that there is background radiation and all sorts of weird chemicals. Shouldn't some mutation be expected? Why not?
To: farmer18th
"f evolution depends on accident, it admits God."
Natural selection is not random.
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:06:16 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: farmer18th
You're only arguing for a more complex set of realities that are no less predictable. The copying mechanism doesn't exist in a vacuum, or an ideal reality, so the error is a product of that non-ideal, but no less predictable world.
Once again, who is claiming otherwise? I don't see your point.
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:06:59 PM PST
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: Dimensio
Conic Section placemarker
To: CarolinaGuitarman; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; cornelis
[ So you will agree that whether 90% of the population believes in God is not relevant to the truth claim that God exists? If so, why bring up the popularity of the position if not to attempt to give it added weight as a truth claim? ]
I agree that if 100% OF "THE PEOPLE" rejected God, it means nothing.. They were still created by him.. What is, is, what ain't, ain't..
However that is a fantasy.. I'm not used to considering fantasy.. For neither has ever happened.. Even those worshipping a tree, as God, are still trying to satisfy a NATURAL need.. not an abnormal one.. has best their qualia allows them.. The only wierd ones are those that reject God as a concept.. even Agnostics are less weird..
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:19:59 PM PST
by
hosepipe
(CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
To: js1138
So? Who wrote this?
It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:21:33 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: farmer18th
tell a child he is the accidental offspring of an ape, and he will act like an ape.Raise a child to be pig-ignorant and guess what you get?
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:23:00 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: hosepipe
"I agree that if 100% OF "THE PEOPLE" rejected God, it means nothing.. They were still created by him.. What is, is, what ain't, ain't...However that is a fantasy.. I'm not used to considering fantasy.. For neither has ever happened.. Even those worshipping a tree, as God, are still trying to satisfy a NATURAL need.. not an abnormal one.. has best their qualia allows them.. The only wierd ones are those that reject God as a concept.. even Agnostics are less weird.."
So you DO embrace the logical fallacy that popularity of a belief has a bearing on the validity of that belief. Thanks for clearing that up. :)
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:24:59 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: farmer18th
the Stalinist mentality of the average evolutionist Is that better or worse than the usual "Nazi" post we get here?
Doesn't matter, I guess, as the poster suffers an automatic loss of all credibility in either case.
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:30:14 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: Coyoteman
I recognize that one. Robert A. Heinlein.
To: farmer18th
without demanding an older and older earth. And just how old would you like the earth to be?
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:37:28 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: Chiapet
Please post these statistics that you're talking about, along with the sources.I've been noticing that our little troll for the day changes syntax in nearly every post demonstrating that he's copying all his dishonest little lies from various sources. He must be a member of one of those lie your way into heaven churches.
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:37:35 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: unlearner
philosophy defines science. In fact, it does.
To: Coyoteman
"It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics."
Sounds like a government schools to me.
It is government schools that drives the controversy over evolution/intelligent design. Why? Because evolution/intelligent design has ENORMOUS political, cultural, and religious consequences for the children.
There is no way that any government school can approach the topic in a manner that has neutral consequences.
Solution: Privatize universal K-12 education.
By the way evolution/intelligent design is only one of HUNDREDS of issues that can not be resolved in a neutral manner that is free of political, cultural, and religious consequences.
Government schools are unconstitutionally on both the federal and state levels. The following is an excellent essay explaining why:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter9.htm
To: hosepipe
NATURAL need.. not an abnormal one This is always learned too late in politics.
To: Dimensio
Taxes was this gem:
My position on slavery? I don't consider it is wrong to have slaves.
375 posted on 10/08/2005 5:49:05 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:46:21 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: farmer18th
I was always taught to understand a mutation as an accidentIf I spill my beer would that count as a mutation?
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:47:35 PM PST
by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: Virginia-American
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:48:14 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: CarolinaGuitarman; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; cornelis
[ So you DO embrace the logical fallacy that popularity of a belief has a bearing on the validity of that belief. Thanks for clearing that up. :) ]
With religion or politic (same thing) that might be true..
With Christ, NO.. Christ came to make a family not an organization of belief, basically a club.. or choir.. or a club with a choir..
With Jesus "the Christ(messiah)" its a matter of WHOM you are not what you believe.. which trumps your question.. Not all christians are christians.. Putting puppies in an oven(church) don't make them cookies..
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:55:25 PM PST
by
hosepipe
(CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
To: Coyoteman
"Taxes..."
Hard to forget that one... especially for me, since I was the one he posted it to. The creationist condemnation of his statement was deafening in it's nonexistence.
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posted on
12/14/2005 5:56:20 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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