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(Updated) BREAKING NEWS: Massive Series of Explosions rock Southern England
Sky News UK ^ | December 11, 2005

Posted on 12/10/2005 10:42:38 PM PST by Big Bad Bob

Edited on 12/10/2005 11:05:40 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: RegulatorCountry
That's why I detest hearing an automatic dismissal of terrorism...

They didn't make any automatic dismissal. They DID take active steps to lower the public perception it COULD be terrorism.

It's a small point, but I think it's important in that it demonstrates a clear preference on the part of authorities as to what the public believes.

861 posted on 12/11/2005 10:07:04 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

"It's a small point, but I think it's important in that it demonstrates a clear preference on the part of authorities as to what the public believes."

The fear and, yes, panic, that authorities exhibit in the face of a situation that could possibly induce fear and panic in the general population, is going to eventually lead to more death than being forthright and honest ever would have, in my opinion.


862 posted on 12/11/2005 10:13:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

I believe a government prostituting its own credibility is a greater evil than any fact.


863 posted on 12/11/2005 10:29:26 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

"I believe a government prostituting its own credibility is a greater evil than any fact."

I can agree with that. You've got to wonder about motivation, when governments show more concern about creating a panic, than they show about the actual attack itself. From a cynical point of view, one might get the impression that money is more important than the lives of citizens.


864 posted on 12/11/2005 10:32:52 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
From a cynical point of view, one might get the impression that money is more important than the lives of citizens.

While economics is definately a critical factor in any functioning society, I don't think it's about money.

I think it's about maintaining control over *free agents* that may not do what's in the best interests of those doing the controlling.

865 posted on 12/11/2005 10:43:59 PM PST by papertyger
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To: RegulatorCountry

That automatic dismissal shows that if there is any possible way of covering it up, they will try. Come to think of it, they've already tried. What are the odds that they will do an about face, and try to disprove their initial ruling?


866 posted on 12/11/2005 10:57:54 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: msnimje
"Surely these things are designed not to blow up from things like gas leaks and cigarette butts. What could have caused such a thing?"

The clothheads lost the entire natural gas processing and refinery in Qatar some decades ago......all gone in one big explosion.

867 posted on 12/11/2005 11:20:18 PM PST by spokeshave (A return to unified Democratic government is so unlikely as not to be worth considering)
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To: little jeremiah

I've been watching the news over here for the last 24 hours so far not a single person has gone on the media and said they saw a plane hit it. There have been plenty of people who have said they 'heard someone say someone saw a plane going down first', and plenty of people who say 'When I first heard the blast my first thought was a plane had gone down' but nobody at all has come forward and said they *actually* saw it. I'll swear some panic mongers actually *want* it to have been an act of terrorism as somehow the story is less boring otherwise.

Didn't you have a very, very similar disaster over in the States (Texas) last year that had even greater loss of life but was, when it came down to it, a terrible accident?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4377519.stm


868 posted on 12/11/2005 11:31:43 PM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: janetjanet998
trucker 1....lets hook this sucker up and go for tea.....

trucker 2....the grounding strip....don't forget to put the static discharge strip in place.

trucker 1....discharge strip....I always use a fresh Tetleys tea bag.

"trucker,,,looks like the explosion happened behind the loading racks where they load the trucks"

869 posted on 12/11/2005 11:37:12 PM PST by spokeshave (A return to unified Democratic government is so unlikely as not to be worth considering)
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To: Brit_Guy

Thanks for your local input. I am only reacting - and admittedly, merely speculating - to what I read on FR. I was theorizing about a plane going over the depot, since I had read accounts of people saying they "saw" or "heard" a plane, not of one going down.

I am not in one camp or another. But I am suspicious of government representatives stating that something is an accident, when they couldn't possibly have the facts yet. In the US there are a couple of plane crashes that many who have delved into the matter are convinced were terrorist attacks, which the gov't maintains were not. And then there's the Murrah building in OK.


870 posted on 12/11/2005 11:39:34 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: BykrBayb
That automatic dismissal shows that if there is any possible way of covering it up, they will try.

That is pure nonsense. A total non-sequiter. The only thing is "shows" is they'd prefer not to have to address certain questions before they have answers.

To my knowledge, no one has "dismissed" anything at this point...other than the plane story.

871 posted on 12/11/2005 11:41:23 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

They dismissed eyewitness accounts before any investigation was even started. When the first order of business is to convince the public of the outcome of an investigation that hasn't even begun, how much should we trust that investigation?


872 posted on 12/11/2005 11:45:31 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: little jeremiah
In the US there are a couple of plane crashes that many who have delved into the matter are convinced were terrorist attacks, which the gov't maintains were not.

Now that's where things start to get REALLY scarey. If the government can and will maintain the kind of control it requires to force the airline industry to make millions of dollars of useless retrofits without that industry being able to communicate its victimization to the public at large, it is truly time to take up arms.

As it is, I am unconvinced our government is capable of that level of stealth coercion, and so find the conspiracy theorists not compelling.

873 posted on 12/11/2005 11:56:44 PM PST by papertyger
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To: BykrBayb
They dismissed eyewitness accounts before any investigation was even started.

Eyewitness accounts of what?

874 posted on 12/12/2005 12:03:30 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Are you enjoying going in circles?


875 posted on 12/12/2005 12:05:52 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

Why aren't you answering the question? It's not like we have a thirty post exchange going.


876 posted on 12/12/2005 12:08:34 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

I know. That's why I find it hard to believe that you've already forgotten where we started.


877 posted on 12/12/2005 12:09:37 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
When the first order of business is to convince the public of the outcome of an investigation that hasn't even begun, how much should we trust that investigation?

You have to prove that was the first order of business before you can offer such a conclusion. You have not done so.

Until you, no one on this thread has maintained anything other than skepticism about the value of the government statements. No one here has thought the government guilty of anything beyond "spin control" to this point. You are looking for reasons to claim malfeasance.

878 posted on 12/12/2005 12:16:19 AM PST by papertyger
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To: BykrBayb
I know. That's why I find it hard to believe that you've already forgotten where we started.

You're stalling.

879 posted on 12/12/2005 12:18:19 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

You jumped in at the end of the thread, without reading the other posts. Start over.


880 posted on 12/12/2005 12:18:19 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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