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Second NYC Police Officer Dies in Shooting
Associated Press ^ | Dec 10, 2005 | VERENA DOBNIK

Posted on 12/10/2005 9:21:27 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: Lancer_N3502A; thefactor

Here's info on the weapon (and they have a typo--they mean "KAHR") he used from the Times. And why did he not put on his vest, or is that always in his locker at the station house?

"The officer put on a black winter coat, slung his police shield around his neck, took his cellphone and off-duty pistol, an eight-shot KHR semiautomatic, and went out to investigate, Commissioner Kelly said. On the side of the house next door, at 3119 Arnow, he saw that a basement window had been broken."


21 posted on 12/11/2005 4:40:01 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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yeah, vests are kept in the locker.

a detective i work with was talking about this shooting yesterday. he said that even though the pay sucks, the schedule sucks, the bosses get on your nerves, for as much as we complain about the job, every cop we work with would have gone into that apartment to investigate.

22 posted on 12/11/2005 9:20:30 AM PST by thefactor
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To: coloradan
Okay, coloradan, what's your deal? Am I being pinged by you on every story when there MIGHT be some prejudice shown in favor of cops? If so, why? Is it under dispute that there is injustice in the world and that sometimes law enforcement officers are beneficiaries? Is it not also true that sometimes LEO's are the victims? Do you have hard, indisputable FACTS to demonstrate beyond question that LEOs are more often the beneficiaries or the perpetrators of injustice than others?

Do you have an articulable thesis at all? If so what is it?

Just to ease your alleged mind, I will stipulate that there is injustice in the world, and that LEOs are not perfect. I will, however, require a sort of balancing stipulation that by and large it is better to have LEOs than not, and that some LEOs are heroic and sacrificial and some are unappreciated. Further, I hope your thesis, if any, will take into account the risks taken by LEOs in performance of the job which the elected representatives of the people hire them to do.

It's easy to complain about the society we have. It's a lot harder to come up with practicable ways of improving it. I joined the Sheriff's office reluctantly. After 9/11 and a few gratuitous murders in my part of the country, I wanted to find a way in which I, rather than complaining, could actually make a contribution to the safety of my fellow citizens. The only opportunity I could find was in the sheriff's office. And while I confess that trolling for speeders is fun, it's now how I'd choose to spend my time, if it were up to me.

What do YOU have to offer? How do YOU contribute, over and above the taxes we all pay, to protect your community? What risks do YOU take?

If all you do is carp about the sometimes quite remarkably unjust occurrences which favor LEO's, then that's cheap and easy, and I hope you enjoy it, but it ain't worth much. There are wolves, sheep, and sheep guardian dogs. The sheep don't much like the sheep guardian dogs -- until the wolves start circling. Then they're all over us and complaining because we don't do more and better. If you're a peasant, maybe, just maybe, it's because you chose to be a peasant. I certainly would prefer a world in which I could go back to my Kierkegaard and single-malt and in which the choices this world presents were not so stark, unpleasant, and ineluctable. But in the real world, I'll stand with the extremely imperfect protectors rather than with the carping and complaining crowd.

If you think this is an overreaction, you ought to see me after my SECOND cup of coffee, I'm just getting started here ...

23 posted on 12/13/2005 3:10:43 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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The officer was struck once in the chest with a bullet from a .357-caliber handgun. Before collapsing in the driveway of the home, the officer returned fire and struck both of the suspects one was hit twice, the other four times.

It’s a shame about the officer, but he did good – five hits on target after taking a .357 in the chest.
24 posted on 12/13/2005 3:17:04 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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Second, is it just me or is "in the line of duty" losing its meaning?

In jurisdictions I am familiar with, cops are never really “off duty” – only off shift. When off shift - or off duty - and responding to a crime they are on duty.
25 posted on 12/13/2005 3:19:08 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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Oops - six hits on target. Not enough coffee yet.


26 posted on 12/13/2005 3:20:31 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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The latest info is that with his 9mm 8-shot Kahr semi-auto he scored six hits on the gunment and two on the accomplice.


27 posted on 12/13/2005 5:08:57 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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Darn good with a .357 slug in his chest.


28 posted on 12/13/2005 5:13:12 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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