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1 posted on 12/08/2005 6:54:58 AM PST by jackbenimble
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To: jackbenimble

Any wonder why SS won't be around for the rest of us citizens when we're of age.


2 posted on 12/08/2005 6:56:35 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: jackbenimble
screw them. make them pay and don't give them back a dime. citizenship should have its privileges!
3 posted on 12/08/2005 6:57:16 AM PST by avile
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I can't believe this travesty is once again raising its ugly head! Didn't the President spend most of the last year telling us that Social Security was on the verge of bankruptcy? How can he think it is a good idea to cut a huge number of new non-citizen third world beneficiaries in on a piece of the pie?

Just a few days ago President Bush was spouting off on this issue and said: "Rewarding those who have broken the law would encourage others to break the law and keep pressure on our border." Obviously he was just paying lip-service to that concept. I suspected as much.

Any taxes the illegals might have paid should be forfeit. The penalties they will pay for the many crimes they have committed in America will be meager enough.

4 posted on 12/08/2005 6:59:15 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: jackbenimble; A. Pole

Isn't that special.


5 posted on 12/08/2005 6:59:48 AM PST by Wolfie
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Good thinkin' W, those approval numbers were getting too high for comfort.  Give 'em Social Security, why not welfare and LIHeat programs too.  That'll get the numbers back down into the low 20's.
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

6 posted on 12/08/2005 6:59:52 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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This is treasonous. That is my opinion. What in the hell is does Bush think he is doing? Illegal Mexicans? OUR SOCIAL SECURITY DOLLARS? Is it not bad enough he wants to LEAVE OUR BORDERS OPEN FOR THESE CRIMINALS and support them with our tax dollars for education, medication, welfare, etc.???


7 posted on 12/08/2005 7:00:30 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: jackbenimble

Stupid simply can not explain this action by Jorge.


11 posted on 12/08/2005 7:03:23 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( Tranzis won't let you vote but they will let you pay.)
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To: gubamyster; SwinneySwitch

How about a Social Security for illegals ping?


13 posted on 12/08/2005 7:07:13 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: jackbenimble
This article, like many on the subject, is mis-information.

In the first paragraph it uses the word "could". The reality is that the illegal has to have the documentation.

The illegal has to have his check stubs and he has prove that he is the employee mentioned on the stubs. Then the employer's records have to confirm. Then the SS Administration records have to confirm.

16 posted on 12/08/2005 7:13:48 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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Most Mexican workers avoid their country's Social Security system by working in the "underground economy," while most U.S. workers have Social Security taxes automatically collected from their wages.
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Well this is the next step in the U.S. -- with maniac socialists running Washington, the REAL U.S. CITIZENS are going to stop paying the bills -- then what will these elitists do? Washington is FORCING this situation on us -- they are forcing taxpayers to rebel.

Is that what it takes to get some sanity in Washington??


17 posted on 12/08/2005 7:14:19 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: jackbenimble

El Presidente Jorge (Rockefeller Republican) Arbusto strieks again.


22 posted on 12/08/2005 7:25:12 AM PST by TXBSAFH ("I would rather be a free man in my grave then living as a puppet or a slave." - Jimmy Cliff)
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Not to be outdone, by Bill Clinton, the Bush's friend, who claimed to be the nation's FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, Bush should now claim to be the nation's FIRST MEXICAN PRESIDENT!!


24 posted on 12/08/2005 7:32:10 AM PST by EagleUSA
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Illegal aliens who work under borrowed, stolen or fraudulent Social Security numbers could collect retirement benefits based on their illegal earnings as the result of a Bush administration plan.

This is like someone breaking into my house at night, sleeping in my spare bedroom, raiding my refrigerator, taking care of medical needs by my doctor and on my tab and when caught, being told he isn't going to be penalized, as matter of fact, he's going to be given some spending money to boot.

What a crock of chit!!!

25 posted on 12/08/2005 7:32:22 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: jackbenimble

The government should simply confiscate SS contributions, since they were obtained illegally, just like they do with the drug trade.


27 posted on 12/08/2005 7:33:27 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: jackbenimble
Phyllis Schlafly column from Jan. 15, 2003.

U.S. Social Security For Mexicans?

Social Security, the so-called "third rail" of American politics, has just become more incendiary. The Bush Administration is proposing a change that is even more controversial than offering younger workers the opportunity to invest a small percentage of their Social Security taxes.

Everybody knows that Social Security is facing a massive shortfall in a few years when the baby-boom generation starts to retire. Higher taxes, reduced benefits, or allowing some measure of privatization are the alternatives that need to be worked out by bipartisan consensus.

The Bush Administration has just thrown a monkey wrench into a harmonious solution. A deal is in the works to add to the bulging Social Security rolls many thousands of Mexicans who are working in the United States, both legally and illegally.

This idea would be very costly to U.S. taxpayers. It's bad politics, it undermines the rule of law, and it invites a new wave of illegals to come across our border in search of taxpayer benefits.

Vicente Fox's success as Mexico's President is threatened by his country's terrible poverty. So he has a very ambitious plan to deal with it: export his poverty to the United States.

Fox encourages poor and desperate Mexicans to risk all kinds of hardships to cross the U.S. border illegally, often paying their life savings to a criminal "coyote," making a deal to transport illegal drugs, or enduring life-threatening thirst in the Arizona desert. Fox even toyed with a plan to give them Survival Kits to ease their pain.

If the illegal aliens manage to elude U.S. border guards and escape death on the highway in crowded vans or trucks driven by inexperienced drivers, many manage to land in various locations far away from Mexico, such as Colorado, Iowa or Georgia. They can then hope to get hired by a U.S. employer willing to close his eyes to how they got so far away from home.

Nevertheless, the illegals are told by Fox and other Mexican officials to "think Mexican" first and send as much as they can scrape out of their pitiful paychecks back to relatives in Mexico. According to a Pew Hispanic Center and Inter-American Development Bank report, Mexicans in the United States will send $13 billion this year to relatives in Mexico.

As soon as George W. Bush was elected president, Vicente Fox started pressuring him to legitimize the status of the some ten million illegal aliens who are in the United States, plus give amnesty to many illegals by reviving a loophole in immigration law called 245(i). Those plans were sailing briskly until 9/11, the day that the American people woke up to the dangers of open borders, and Fox was forced to move to an incrementalist strategy.

Mexican consulates in the United States started issuing an identification card, called matricula consular, to Mexicans illegally living in our country. By definition, this card should prove that the holder is in the United States illegally, but it began to be accepted by police, banks and even driver's license offices in some states as though it were a valid I.D.

New York State and New York City, however, citing security reasons, just announced that they will not recognize the matricula consular as a valid identity card.

The deputy White House press secretary has just confirmed that the Social Security Administration has begun discussions with Mexico about an agreement to allow Mexicans to receive U.S. Social Security benefits. One plan is to allow Mexicans, who were not employed in the U.S. long enough to collect U.S. Social Security benefits, to count the time they worked in Mexico as part of the mandatory 10 years or 40 quarters.

The most expensive plan is to provide benefits to the estimated 5 million Mexicans who are working illegally in the United States after having supplied fake Social Security numbers to their employers. "Our actuaries are working on the numbers," said Social Security spokesman Jim Courtney.

Acquiescing in Vicente Fox's demands would put hundreds of thousands of Mexicans onto the rolls of the U.S. Social Security system just as the first wave of baby boomers starts getting retirement checks. Already there is talk of an addition to the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City to handle 37,000 claims anticipated in the first year.

The Bush Administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries. But offering Social Security benefits to people who knowingly violate U.S. immigration laws would create a powerful new incentive for more illegals to enter the United States.

If foreigners work legally in the United States and pay Social Security taxes, they are entitled to receive the benefits they earned. But U.S. taxpayers should say "no" to Mexico's attempt to shift its social welfare burdens onto the U.S. taxpayers.


Phyllis Schlafly column 1-15-03


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29 posted on 12/08/2005 7:35:36 AM PST by jla
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To: Gipper08

fyi


30 posted on 12/08/2005 7:35:54 AM PST by jla
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To: jackbenimble

We need to vote all the bastards out at every level and put in constitutional citizen legislators like Senator Tom Coburn who seems to be the only one left who gives a sh_t.

Restore our Founder's vision before we let them destroy man's greatest achievement.

For the sake of our grandchildren - WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Refuse to continue being the DUPES of big Govt and the business elites who control them!!!!


31 posted on 12/08/2005 7:36:13 AM PST by Marxbites
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To HE** with Bush's plan!


32 posted on 12/08/2005 7:37:40 AM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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Wow wait till those 400,000 people with SS # 000-00-000 apply for social security benefits!


39 posted on 12/08/2005 7:49:30 AM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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Bush has betrayed us on immigration.

Semper Fi'
Jarhead


43 posted on 12/08/2005 7:54:15 AM PST by Buffettfan
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