Bush Plan: Social Security for 'Legalized' Illegal Aliens

CNSNews.com ^ | December 08, 2005 | Jeff Johnson

[jackbenimble]

This article, like many on the subject, is mis-information.

Actually what is mis-information is your post. At least 65% of illegals are working using fake or stolen social security cards. Employers happily accept these numbers as genuine and put the illegals on the payroll and withhold and pay to the government social security taxes. About $6 billion per year of unmatched social security payments where the name does not match the number are piling up at the Social Security Administration. The illegals WILL have check stubs, W4s and there stubs WILL match the employer records.

[TXBSAFH]

El Presidente Jorge (Rockefeller Republican) Arbusto strieks again.

[TXBSAFH]

strieks = strikes
Coffee level low.

[EagleUSA]

Not to be outdone, by Bill Clinton, the Bush's friend, who claimed to be the nation's FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, Bush should now claim to be the nation's FIRST MEXICAN PRESIDENT!!

[varon]

Illegal aliens who work under borrowed, stolen or fraudulent Social Security numbers could collect retirement benefits based on their illegal earnings as the result of a Bush administration plan.

This is like someone breaking into my house at night, sleeping in my spare bedroom, raiding my refrigerator, taking care of medical needs by my doctor and on my tab and when caught, being told he isn't going to be penalized, as matter of fact, he's going to be given some spending money to boot.

What a crock of chit!!!

[johnmecainrino]

I don't understand what people have against Bush on the borders.

He is for predator drones on the border which Clinton was against.

Bush has just ended the catch and release policy that was allowed under clinton of non mexicans that were within 100 miles of the border.

Bush has added 3,000 border patrol.

Bush has added detainee beds.

Bush signed the real id act into law which the dems opposed.

Bush has called for congress to pass legislation to speed up the deportation hearings.

Bush signed into law completing the fence south of san diego which the dems opposed.

Under Bush the illegals caught in Mexico get sent back inland to their towns instead of right across the border which Clinton did and they would cross right back again.

Republicans are also pushing for a change in the census laws, employer laws, and in state tuition laws.


Bush has done everything he could have. The constitution bars federal troops on the border. The dems will fillabuster anything that will really hurt their illegal votes.


Bush has done far more than Bill Clinton ever did.


Bush's guest worker program is dead on arrival in the house.
I don't understand all this talk about his program when the house said they won't vote for it.

I am totally against illegals but one of the reasons some are for the guest worker program for the 25 million illegals here is that it will get them out of the shadows so we can get info on them and deport them.

What we really need are local police to start arresting illegals. We need local police to crack down on day labor centers. We also need governors to take a strong stand like Kilgore would have done. We need governors to use the national guard on their borders. Federal troops can't use law enforcement in the u.s so the governors are the ones that have the power to use the national guard on the border.


Bush has done everything he possibly could on the borders. People that blame Bush deserve what Bill Clitnon was doing.

[School of Rational Thought]

The government should simply confiscate SS contributions, since they were obtained illegally, just like they do with the drug trade.

[dljordan]

"This is treasonous. That is my opinion. What in the hell is does Bush think he is doing? Illegal Mexicans? OUR SOCIAL SECURITY DOLLARS? Is it not bad enough he wants to LEAVE OUR BORDERS OPEN FOR THESE CRIMINALS and support them with our tax dollars for education, medication, welfare, etc.???"

It just shows what our "leaders" really think of us. Not much. They are continually caught trying all kinds of nasty tricks and then turn right around and start over. Bush knows the American people don't want an amnesty and certainly don't want to pay SS to illegals but he keeps trying. He is trying to create one country and we'll be the losers.

They just don't care.

[jla]

Phyllis Schlafly column from Jan. 15, 2003.

U.S. Social Security For Mexicans?

Social Security, the so-called "third rail" of American politics, has just become more incendiary. The Bush Administration is proposing a change that is even more controversial than offering younger workers the opportunity to invest a small percentage of their Social Security taxes.

Everybody knows that Social Security is facing a massive shortfall in a few years when the baby-boom generation starts to retire. Higher taxes, reduced benefits, or allowing some measure of privatization are the alternatives that need to be worked out by bipartisan consensus.

The Bush Administration has just thrown a monkey wrench into a harmonious solution. A deal is in the works to add to the bulging Social Security rolls many thousands of Mexicans who are working in the United States, both legally and illegally.

This idea would be very costly to U.S. taxpayers. It's bad politics, it undermines the rule of law, and it invites a new wave of illegals to come across our border in search of taxpayer benefits.

Vicente Fox's success as Mexico's President is threatened by his country's terrible poverty. So he has a very ambitious plan to deal with it: export his poverty to the United States.

Fox encourages poor and desperate Mexicans to risk all kinds of hardships to cross the U.S. border illegally, often paying their life savings to a criminal "coyote," making a deal to transport illegal drugs, or enduring life-threatening thirst in the Arizona desert. Fox even toyed with a plan to give them Survival Kits to ease their pain.

If the illegal aliens manage to elude U.S. border guards and escape death on the highway in crowded vans or trucks driven by inexperienced drivers, many manage to land in various locations far away from Mexico, such as Colorado, Iowa or Georgia. They can then hope to get hired by a U.S. employer willing to close his eyes to how they got so far away from home.

Nevertheless, the illegals are told by Fox and other Mexican officials to "think Mexican" first and send as much as they can scrape out of their pitiful paychecks back to relatives in Mexico. According to a Pew Hispanic Center and Inter-American Development Bank report, Mexicans in the United States will send $13 billion this year to relatives in Mexico.

As soon as George W. Bush was elected president, Vicente Fox started pressuring him to legitimize the status of the some ten million illegal aliens who are in the United States, plus give amnesty to many illegals by reviving a loophole in immigration law called 245(i). Those plans were sailing briskly until 9/11, the day that the American people woke up to the dangers of open borders, and Fox was forced to move to an incrementalist strategy.

Mexican consulates in the United States started issuing an identification card, called matricula consular, to Mexicans illegally living in our country. By definition, this card should prove that the holder is in the United States illegally, but it began to be accepted by police, banks and even driver's license offices in some states as though it were a valid I.D.

New York State and New York City, however, citing security reasons, just announced that they will not recognize the matricula consular as a valid identity card.

The deputy White House press secretary has just confirmed that the Social Security Administration has begun discussions with Mexico about an agreement to allow Mexicans to receive U.S. Social Security benefits. One plan is to allow Mexicans, who were not employed in the U.S. long enough to collect U.S. Social Security benefits, to count the time they worked in Mexico as part of the mandatory 10 years or 40 quarters.

The most expensive plan is to provide benefits to the estimated 5 million Mexicans who are working illegally in the United States after having supplied fake Social Security numbers to their employers. "Our actuaries are working on the numbers," said Social Security spokesman Jim Courtney.

Acquiescing in Vicente Fox's demands would put hundreds of thousands of Mexicans onto the rolls of the U.S. Social Security system just as the first wave of baby boomers starts getting retirement checks. Already there is talk of an addition to the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City to handle 37,000 claims anticipated in the first year.

The Bush Administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries. But offering Social Security benefits to people who knowingly violate U.S. immigration laws would create a powerful new incentive for more illegals to enter the United States.

If foreigners work legally in the United States and pay Social Security taxes, they are entitled to receive the benefits they earned. But U.S. taxpayers should say "no" to Mexico's attempt to shift its social welfare burdens onto the U.S. taxpayers.

Phyllis Schlafly column 1-15-03

Resources: 

• U.S. Social Security May Reach To Mexico — Washington Post, 12-19-02 
  
• Social Security Plan Would Aid Mexicans — Los Angeles Times, 12-20-02

  AP Stories: 
  U.S. Considers Social Security Agreement — Associated Press, 12-19-02 
  Bush Administration Considers Adding Legal Workers From Mexico to Social Security System — Associated Press, 12-19-02

  Other articles on this issue: 
  Social Security Heading South of the Border — by Joel Mowbray, 1-11-03 
  "Traitor": Consular chief Harty is furious. — by Joel Mowbray, 1-30-03 
  Social Security Crisis Will Worsen if Mexicans Cash In — by James R. Edwards Jr., 3-10-03

  What can you do? 
  Call the President: 202-456-1111, 202-456-1414, Contacting the White House 
  Call your two Senators: 202-224-3121 - Capitol Switchboard, Call your Senators  
  Call your Representative: 202-224-3121 - Capitol Switchboard, Call your Representative

[jla]

fyi

[Marxbites]

We need to vote all the bastards out at every level and put in constitutional citizen legislators like Senator Tom Coburn who seems to be the only one left who gives a sh_t.

Restore our Founder's vision before we let them destroy man's greatest achievement.

For the sake of our grandchildren - WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!

Refuse to continue being the DUPES of big Govt and the business elites who control them!!!!

[Minutemen]

To HE** with Bush's plan!

[School of Rational Thought]

Is the rule then, if you do something positive you get to screw something else up?

The orientation should be toward excellence.

But Billy didn't have to do his chores!!! WWWAAAHHH

[rolling_stone]

Bush has done everything he possibly could on the borders. People that blame Bush deserve what Bill Clitnon was doing.


you don't have a clue the only thing bush has done is what congress shoved down his throat. He encourage more illegals to come here with his talks of amnesty. He has brought employer sanctions down to nothing he's all talk.

[rolling_stone]

The constitution bars federal troops on the border.

Really now, please show me!

[bayareablues]

i can't believe this is the guy i campaigned and voted for.

[johnmecainrino]

What is far worse in this country than the illegals coming here is that they then get affirmative action in our colleges and jobs.


I don't know what people want Bush to do in the border that he hasn't already done. You can't build a fence on the whole border because of property owners. At least half the land on the border is privately owned.


I want to know what Bush hasn't done that people want him to do on the border. Bush has made major improvements over Clinton on the border. Bush has done so much on the border that people that go after him are making it personal because except for the guest worker program which is going nowhere his policies on the border have been great. We are catching more illegals today than ever before. We have caught 5 million illegals in the last 4 years on the border far more than under Clinton who let them get through.

[pageonetoo]

I don't understand what people have against Bush on the borders.

You may not understand it, but most conservatives do...

Bushbots need not apply here... We are not an equal opportunity employer. I built a little hacienda, in NM, last year. I paid the guys in cash, as the contracts called for. The workers were mainly Mexicans, who came across the border WITH PAPERS, and went through the checkpoints to get to work. they went home at night.

I shopped a lot of contractors, and saved almost $30k. The winner was a transplanted Texan, who found these workers years ago. He did things legally, and responsibly, I didn't mind showing him the money. He got a 1099...

[rolling_stone]

Wow wait till those 400,000 people with SS # 000-00-000 apply for social security benefits!

[johnmecainrino]

Bush just ended the catch and release policy of non mexicans that are caught. This is major news. Clinton never did this.

The real id act will help.

Sending the illegals back inland will help.

The predator drones will help.

The 3,000 extra border patrol will help.

The extra detainee beds will help.

Completing the fence south of san diego will help.

Speeding up extradition will help.

Bush appointing conservative judges will help in the long run.


You had none of these changes under Bill Clinton. He did absolutely nothing. Our apprehsion rate of catching illegals is way up thanks to Bush's policies.

Congress will also pass laws for changes on the anchor baby law which bush would sign into law. Bush would sign into law anything the house wanted. He won't veto it.


His guest worker program is good because it takes the illegals out of the shadows so they can be deported. The guest worker program is for the illegals already here. The only way you can deport them is to get them out of the shadows.


People that are against the guest worker program have nothing to worry about because it is going nowhere.


What brings illegals here are our long standing federal laws and our constitution which bars active troops from having law enforcement power in the u.s

What brings illegals here are the anchor baby laws which allow the kids born here to become citizens and then when they are 18 their parents can become citizens.

What brings illegals here are our federal laws which slows down hearings if you are an illegal here for more than 14 days or over 100 miles from the border.

Colleges giving illegals in state tuition and affirmative action brings illegals here.

The census also needs to be changed to not count illegals to lessen the political clout that they have.