Posted on 12/08/2005 6:54:56 AM PST by jackbenimble
..........CIS is not a credible source. There are credible sources that contradict CIS.......
So post your "credible" source! I can read and make up my own mind and I find them very credible. I suppose you don't find FAIR or GAO credible either?
"GAO Tells Congress a Mexican Agreement Could Impact the Trust Fund
While the Social Security Administration (SSA) estimated that an agreement with Mexico would not make a measurable impact on the Social Security trust fund if it applied to 50,000 Mexicans — the number of current Mexican SSA beneficiaries residing in Mexico — and if that number increased to 300,000 beneficiaries by 2050[3], the General Accounting Office (GAO) disagrees.
In testimony on September 11, 2003, the GAO challenged the SSA’s methodology for estimating the costs of an agreement with Mexico. The methodology failed to take into account the estimated five million illegal alien Mexican workers in the United States, Mexicans now living in Mexico who earlier worked illegally in the United States, the fact that the agreement likely would make family members living in Mexico eligible for benefits that they are not currently entitled to, and the effects of a proposed new guest worker agreement. Also, the GAO found that there was no effort to systematically study the record keeping of the Mexican authorities who would be partners in the program to assure the validity of information received from that source.
The GAO dismissed the validity of comparing the impact of an agreement with Mexico to the one with Canada, because of the disproportionate number of illegal alien workers from Mexico. It also noted, “The cost estimate also inherently assumes that the behavior of Mexican citizens would not change after a totalization agreement goes into effect. Under totalization, unauthorized workers could have an additional incentive to enter the United States to work and to maintain the appropriate documentation necessary to claim their earnings under a false identity.”
Given the questionable methodology used by the SSA to assess the impact of an agreement with Mexico, the GAO concluded that the SSA’s assessment that such an agreement would not have a measurable impact on the trust fund was not supported by the analysis, and, “Thus, for the Mexican agreement, additional analyses to assess risks and costs may be called for.”"
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters3acf
Guess we better move those bases then. LOL!!!
ROTHLMAO!!!
Oh yes, I'm sure this is the first thought of EVERY Illegal Alien!!!
Who put you in charge of determining which sources are credible? I find CIS to be far more credible then Tamar Jacoby at the Manhatten Institute or anything that is being published by the National Chamber of Commerce or the CATO Institute on this subject. They have a nasty habit of only telling half the story. For example, a few months ago they put out a series of articles touting the $6 billion contribution to Social Security but failed to mention the far larger costs imposed by illegals at both the Federal and State levels. If you think a deliberate attempt to mislead makes them credible, I question your qualifications for making that determination.
But I am waiting for you to post one of your credible sources that shows that this totalization deal will not impose an enormous drain on the Social Security System and American taxpayers. I watch these things closely and I have never seen anything credible or incredible for that matter (except for the posts of a few whacky open borders freepers) that made such a claim.
One of he few uses of emminent domain that I would support. We need 2 30ft walls separated by 50ft of "no mans land" across the entire border.
Yeah like Ream Field which is right next to the Imperial Beach Border Patrol Station..LOL the illegals cross to the east and west of it north of the TJ sloughs and sometimes right across the airfield.
It is Mexico and Mexicans that are causing the problem. I would favor confiscating whatever land was needed starting at our border and moving South.
Another poster indicated that there was a 300 foot buffer of Federally owned land along the entire length of the border. Can anybody confirm that? Is it actual surface ownership or just a right of way or some other type of easement that allows the Border Patrol access for enforcement purposes?
How many actuaries does the CIS, Fairus, or the GAO employ?
How many actuaries does the CIS, Fairus, or the GAO employ?
Uh beats the heck out of me! Garbage in garbage oout.LOL..where are your "credible" sources?
Same thing he was thinking when he decided on unsecured Mexican borders, $15 billion to Africa, $2000 debit cards for welfare groupies in New Orleans, calling Manslaughter Ted Kennedy a "fine Senator", signing the CFR bill when he said it was unconstitutional, letting the deficit soar to $450 billion, kissing Barbara Mulkuski, and hundreds of others.
Not sure what he was thinking either, but he was thinking something.
Translation: Their facts do not support my fantasy.
CIS is probably THE MOST credible.
I'd be interested in knowing that as well.
Another poster also mentioned the posse commitatus as being something that would prevent the deployment of troops on the borders. Well, that the law has essentially been gutted by the "war on drugs" types over the past couple of decades. Also, if protecting our borders isn't a legitimate role of the military, then I don't know what is.
Not sure what he was thinking either, but he was thinking something.
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This ONE AMERICA elitist agenda he (and his father) think they can conduct on the back of America's REAL citizens, is an atrocity. We seriously not only need a CONSERVATIVE in the White House, but an American that is not whacked out with elitism and utopian BS agendas.
You mean like the amnesty signed by President Reagan?
There is only one arbiter of who's fact are credible and who's facts are not. That is the judiciary. If policy or legislation is created based on sources of facts that are not credible, that policy or legislation could not withstand legal challenges.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner folks! This is exactly what has been done to us over the past century.
Just a couple weeks ago there were American troops on the New Mexico/Mexico border in an observation/enforcement support role. That has gone on sporadically for a long time. They rotate in for occassional training missions. I'm sure there were threads on Free Republic about it and I know it was discussed on Bill O'Reilly and Hannity and Colmes and elsewhere in the media. That argument is largely a canard. A fundamental mission of our military is to protect our borders.
Your argument is that not only is Bush, Congress, the UN, and Presidente Fox involved in this plot to destroy Social Security and the Nation but the the GS12 number crunchers are in on it also.
like i said garbage in garbage out actuaries are only as good as the info they work with see my post 121 above.
There are no revelations in #121. It is common knowledge.
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