House Looks to Adopt Senate Torture Ban

FoxNews ^ | Dec. 7, 2005 | AP

[AIC]

The best way to get around this, if the bill becomes law, is to not take any more prisoners.

[goldstategop]

I was watching Boston Legal about two of the firm's lawyers. (Yesterday's show is entirely relevant to the discussion in this thread.) They broke every law in the book to save a kidnapped child, including a threat to inflict torture on the brother of the perp and chopping off a priest's finger. John McCain would make ALL extreme measures ILLEGAL. You know what that means? You can no longer use the justified necessity defense to condone breaking the law to serve a higher end, like saving a human life. The ban on torture in effect means terrorists who don't abide by ANY laws, get more protection than the people who work to eradicate them from the face of the earth. In my book, terrorists deserve NO rights whatsoever. Its insane what we're doing four years after 9/11. Sure, let's try to win the war against Islamofascism with both hands tied behind our backs.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[Pragmatic_View]

"The ban on torture in effect means terrorists who don't abide by ANY laws, get more protection than the people who work to eradicate them from the face of the earth. In my book, terrorists deserve NO rights whatsoever. Its insane what we're doing four years after 9/11. Sure, let's try to win the war against Islamofascism with both hands tied behind our backs."

You summed it up perfectly.

[airborne]

We'll just find other countries who will do the jobs Americans don't want to!(sarcasm)

[steve-b]

John McCain would make ALL extreme measures ILLEGAL. You know what that means? You can no longer use the justified necessity defense to condone breaking the law to serve a higher end, like saving a human life.

Nonsense. If you consider it necessary to do something illegal, go ahead and do it, and then convince the jury to exercise its power of nullification.

[pleikumud]

The Republican Party bombards me with requests for money. Since Republicans in Congress are so concerned about the welfare of terrorists, all RNC, GOP, and candidates' mail goes directly in the trash, unopened.

[concretebob]

I write on the back of the enevelope
"When you start acting like a majority party, I'll start treating you like one"
Then I put Return To Sender on the front and drop it in the mailbox.

[goldstategop]

Why make it illegal in the first place? Its not going to win us points with Al Qaeda - they won't give up the head hacking business simply because we've gone politically correct. And if Congress imagines terrorists will abide by the Geneva Conventions, they're displaying the misplaced mercy of fools. Those on the other side are not soldiers. Their combatants do not fight in the open, in uniform according to prescribed rules of war. And they wantonly slaughter non-combatants. So again, why give them a protection they do not deserve? A country can survive many things but it can't survive those who would enable the enemy to achieve his objectives out of a sense of misguided compassion for him. There is no room for mercy or humane feelings in war. McCain needs to go back and study Clausewitz. That sort of daffy liberal thinking can get you killed in this day and age.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[steve-b]

Why make it illegal in the first place?

Because if it's legal, there's no reason not to use it for routine criminal investigations.

It needs to be limited to cases where somebody decides "this is worth me spending the rest of my life as the Sweetheart Of Cellblock 13".