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Free trade bandwagon loses its steam
The Age (Australia) ^ | 6. December 2005 | Tim Colebatch

Posted on 12/05/2005 6:56:18 AM PST by 1rudeboy

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To: Age of Reason
Think a 22 yr old HS dropout could do that today?

Of course not, factories need skilled workers nowadays.

201 posted on 12/06/2005 2:53:41 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: expat_panama
He's technically correct in that buying stocks is 'consumption'

Damn!! I wish I'd have consumed more Philip Morris stock 3 years ago.

and increases in home equity aren't income--

I know it's not income but at least I include it in net worth :^)

we need to start staying that savings is 'the increase in wealth.'

Americans don't have any wealth. And real incomes have dropped 50% in the last 30 years. Or was it 100%? LOL!!

202 posted on 12/06/2005 2:54:47 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: expat_panama
I still believe that "most middle class families today can make it on just one income

Like I said, I don't know where you live, but it's light years from reality.

I bid you a good evening!

203 posted on 12/06/2005 3:20:25 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Jigsaw John
I bid you a good evening!

Always running away. Never providing any facts.

204 posted on 12/06/2005 3:30:31 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: 1rudeboy; stephenjohnbanker; HamiltonJay
Of course not, factories need skilled workers nowadays.

That's too bad.

Workers have to waste years studying all that boring stuff and take out crippling student loans so factories can turn out electronic gizmos so workers can end up living in the same house my HS dropout relative bought in the 1960's.

Unfortunately, more than half of Americans have IQ's of 100 or below.

I guess we send them to MIT and the problem is solved.

205 posted on 12/06/2005 5:51:28 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Toddsterpatriot

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/ns97256t.pdf
Page ten of forty nine. This gives the data from 1973 but I can't truthfully say I found the 31% this time.


206 posted on 12/06/2005 6:44:28 PM PST by em2vn
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To: Age of Reason

You sound like you long for the days it took 3000 workers to assemble an auto. Those days aren't coming back. Sorry.


207 posted on 12/06/2005 7:05:11 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: em2vn
Page ten of forty nine. This gives the data from 1973 but I can't truthfully say I found the 31% this time.

That was a report about NAFTA. It doesn't even mention 1973 on page 10. Try again?

208 posted on 12/06/2005 8:23:40 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Age of Reason
so workers can end up living in the same house my HS dropout relative bought in the 1960's.

Houses nowadays are so much larger than that 1960's house your dropout relative bought. They've even got air conditioning and cable TV. And no ugly avocado kitchens either.

209 posted on 12/06/2005 8:27:17 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: 1rudeboy
You sound like you long for the days it took 3000 workers to assemble an auto. Those days aren't coming back. Sorry.

I don't know how many workers it took, but the price of a new Ford car went down with every new model.

Which is how it should be.

210 posted on 12/06/2005 9:24:47 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Houses nowadays are so much larger than that 1960's house your dropout relative bought. They've even got air conditioning and cable TV. And no ugly avocado kitchens either.

I wonder what those larger nowadays houses cost, since the house he bought in 1965 for 16K went for 500K nowadays last year.

BTW--I threw my A/C out years ago, along with my TV.

211 posted on 12/06/2005 9:27:56 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Page 10 describes the fall of blue collar real wages for the preceding two decades with 1993 as the implied end mark.
Why don't you trying reading it again. If you have time trying reading the entire thing. It's dry but interesting.


212 posted on 12/07/2005 4:53:23 AM PST by em2vn
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To: Toddsterpatriot

When did I say a 401k was considered consumption?


213 posted on 12/07/2005 6:33:58 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Age of Reason
I wonder what those larger nowadays houses cost, since the house he bought in 1965 for 16K went for 500K nowadays last year.

I guess that would depend on where the larger house is located. Detroit is cheaper than L.A. Sounds like he made about 9% a year. Good for him.

214 posted on 12/07/2005 6:47:12 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: HamiltonJay
When did I say a 401k was considered consumption?

Post #188: Savings rate is income minus consumption.

I'm glad that we now agree that 401k contributions are savings.

215 posted on 12/07/2005 6:49:06 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: em2vn
Page 10 describes the fall of blue collar real wages for the preceding two decades with 1993 as the implied end mark.

The critique also notes that the real wages of U.S. blue-collar workers has declined for almost 2 decades and suggests that imports from low-wage countries such as Mexico are an especially important cause of increasing wage inequality.

Wow! That certainly proves your point. Not!! What about this chart?

Maybe wages declined before NAFTA caused them to rise?

216 posted on 12/07/2005 7:04:58 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Your chart is in direct oppostion to what the GAO report said.Without knowing the complete article from which you took the chart I can't comment on it.
Post a link so I can review the work.


217 posted on 12/07/2005 1:25:02 PM PST by em2vn
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To: em2vn
The Real Story on "Stagnant" Wages
218 posted on 12/07/2005 1:39:24 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

That's great. Can you tell me where the Labor Department report can be found that has the chart.


219 posted on 12/07/2005 1:50:04 PM PST by em2vn
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To: em2vn
Perhaps if you contact the author he can help you.
220 posted on 12/07/2005 2:07:29 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (The Federal Reserve did not kill JFK. Greenspan was not on the grassy knoll.)
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