Iranian Alert - December 3, 2005 - Ledeen says Bush's Plan for Victory is a Sucker's Game

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[Just A Nobody]

What a nut job this guy is! We've got the idiot morons in the halls of Congress calling for surrender, and this jerk thinks we should attack 3 other countries.

[F14 Pilot]

bump

[dr_who_2]

For anyone who's keeping score, let's first list the contestants:

In the well-lit corner is the stay-the-course hawk who defends Bush at every turn. He used to be called a neo-conservative, but the press no longer finds it to be a good scare-label.

In the slightly well-lit corner is the "vietnam-quagmire-let's pull out now" guy. His coach is a "no blood for oil" wacko leftist.

The fellow shadow boxing in the third corner is the "Iraq should be split up" advocate.

In the fourth corner is yet another fellow who repeatedly asks "what are we doing about syria and Iran"?

[Berlin_Freeper]

"But the hard, unpleasant fact remains: we are playing a sucker's game in Iraq, because we are trying to win a regional war by fighting in a single country."


-We beat Osama out of Afghanistan and removed the Taliban from power and planted democracy.

-We removed Saddam Hussein from power and planted democracy.

-We have a very close relationship with Israel.

-Pressure on Syria as forced them to miscalculate with an assasination that got them chucked from Lebanon.

-Pressure on Egypt has further opened the door to democracy.

-Pressure on Libya has forced them to give up their WMD programs.

-Pressure on Iran has them on defense with their nuke program.

-Pressure on the Palestinians has brought them closer to a much more moderate political stance.

-Israel is out of Gaza.

That's just off the top of my head before morning coffee.

Only a FOOL says "we are trying to win a regional war by fighting in a single country."

Any reasoned person should know that the fact that we are up against a REGION means we need a different strategy for each and every country in that REGION- DUH.

I guess for some that hurts the brains too much.

[dr_who_2]

People have been arm chair quarter backing since 2001, and I think he's been consistently for taking out Iran since that time.

[dr_who_2]

Pressure on Iran has them on defense with their nuke program.

They're out-doing Saddam Hussein. I don't think he got anywhere as far with nukes as Iran has. Iran has little to lose by being "defensive". It just buys them more time.

[dr_who_2]

I was talking about Ledeen's stance.

[wildcatf4f3]

bomb cambodia...and make sure you hit kerry this time

[Berlin_Freeper]

The fact remains they ARE on defense with their nuclear goals.

The crucial question is how long till they actually produce nukes?

We can bomb them today and start a huge stink about it or we can bomb them 6 years (or 3 or 9 or 7?) from now and smoke everything they got a few months before they produce one.

But if we hold off then we got a CHANCE we can get traction for change from within.

It's not a great chance but once we bomb we bomb so what is the difference. Either way they end up with no nukes.

[MJY1288]

If Ledeen truly believes that we are not doing things throughout the region, I've lost all respect for him. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and a Military invasion of Syria and Iran is not the answer. We won the cold war without launching a single missile or moved a Tank across any Soviet Block nations border. When the suffering masses in these Mullah controlled nations see and hear what's spreading in Iraq, the pressure builds, and much like what happened in Poland, a Blue Collar worker on a loading dock stands up and says, "Enough of this BS"

The Iranians and the Syrians need not to fear our Tanks, Cruise Missiles and our magnificent Warriors, those Tyrants need to worry about their own people.

Nobody wakes up in the morning and looks forward to another day of bondage. On the other hand, When we succeed in Iraq, hope will become one with the desert winds and those winds will bring major change throughout the Middle East, just like it did Eastern Europe

[F14 Pilot]

he is not talking about military action against Iran or Syria

[MJY1288]

Well if Ledeen thinks we are not doing things in those countries, he is a fool. I have a family member who works for one of our Intel organizations and I can guarantee you that we have operatives that are hard at work in those countries and most of what is going on is this area has been ratcheted up 10 fold since 9/11

This whole piece by Ledeen is Bravo Sierra

[F14 Pilot]

Ledeen is talking about support for democracy movement inside Iran and that is what our government has done nothing about!

[F14 Pilot]

and fyi

Pres. Bush has just authorized our ambassador in Iraq to hold direct talks with Mullahs!

[F14 Pilot]

Bush permits talks with Iran over border security crisis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/04/wiran04.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/12/04/ixworld.html