The Terrorist Round-Up for December 4, 2005

[Straight Vermonter]

A few comments that relate at least tangentially to the killing of Abu Hamza Rabia.

First, I think the reason that the operations guys keep getting caught or killed is because the very nature of their job requires them to be in contact with the outside world. If AQ is to be effective they can not simply hide in caves. Osama and Dr Evil Zawahiri can hide and remain almost completely out of touch with the world but this does nothing to further their agenda. That is a good thing.

The operations emir has to stay in touch with the various cells and each time he communicates he increases his chance of getting an unfriendly visit. That is also a good thing.

The success that we have had in eliminating those who are acting as operations emir (see below) shows that we a) have great intel as to the structure of their organization b) have excellent ability to intercept their communications c) have the ability to acquire their physical location and d) have the ability to kill/capture them once a, b and c has been achieved.

Finally, we often hear about these "mud huts" or "mud houses". While in some case they may be just the kind of primitive structures you envision, often they are far more substantial. The attached photo shows a mud-walled village that is typical in the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Another point to consider is that the first 3 operations emirs were captured. al-Yemeni and Rabia were both apparently killed by hellfire missiles. It seems to me that the CIA or DIA may consider it no longer neccessary to capture these guys. This may be because our intelligence agencies have so compromised their communications net that we already know their minds. Alternately it may be that they don't consider the new guys important enough to risk sending an A-team to snatch them.

The history of "#3":

Abu Zubaida was captured in March of 2002. KSM suceeded him until he was catured in March of 2003. Abu Faraj al-Libi suceeded him until he was captured in May of 2005. At this point there is some confusion as to whether Haitham al-Yemeni or Abu Hamza Rabia succeeded al-Libi but it matters little since al-Yemeni got his virgins in May of this year and now Rabia is enjoying his virgins as well.

So ends (for now) the long sordid tale of the al-Qaeda "#3".

[Straight Vermonter]

Ping

[SteveMcKing]

A senior suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban supporter in North Waziristan has surrendered to the government, a senior administration official said on Saturday. Maulana Ajab Noor, a former resistance commander against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1980s, has pledged allegiance to the anti-terror war.

Senior administration officials attended the ceremony and praised the former resistance commander’s support to the government. Noor, 55, assured the government that he will not shelter foreign terrorists linked to Al Qaeda and the Taliban, the official said.

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Now there's a survivor.

A lifetime of warring, "suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban supporter", and here he is now with the allies praising him.

The man is either lucky or GOOD. Probably both.

[Straight Vermonter]

You may remember from the Afghan war in 2002 that changing sides is very common in this region. Diplomacy, threats and bribery can often accomplish a great deal.

[Fiddlstix]

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[Deetes]

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[Straight Vermonter]

It looks like my first picture didn't work. I'll try another.

[MeekMom]

Man! the pictures of these evil people are seriously UGLY!!!

[patriciaruth]

Look how much real reporting there is to be done all over the world. You have posted these examples.

And the MSM can only cover the IED and suicide bombings and the Democrats' attempts here at home to get ahead of the progress being made in Iraq.

[TomasUSMC]

And no foreign fighter has been caught by Wylie's company after nearly a year in this city(Samara).

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Its population should have been removed and the city leveled 6 months ago.

[MEG33]

Great reports..

[FreedomPoster]

>>You may remember from the Afghan war in 2002 that changing sides is very common in this region. Diplomacy, threats and bribery can often accomplish a great deal.

Not to mention outright well-applied violence administered with extreme prejudice.

Nothing like watching your "allies" getting blown up, to convince someone to turn around on the path to Jihad.

[Stentor]

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[FreeAtlanta]

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[Coop]

Get lost, punk.

[Coop]

For what they're worth:

Al-Arabiya says Qaeda denies commander killed in Pakistan

'Iran no longer holding al-Qaeda detainees'

[Stonewall Jackson]

Iran no longer holding al-Qaeda detainees

Now that Iran has a known terrorist in charge, I can't say that I am surprised.

[TomasUSMC]

Get lost, punk.

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Return to sender.

Try logic or facts next time.

[Coop]

You're exposed to logic and facts every time you come to FR. Doesn't stop you from posting your trash.

Get lost, punk.

[TomasUSMC]

Keep reading what I write ..... The Shiites ran Allawi out of town - must be part of that Shiite Style Sharia Freedom. Until we realize that ISLAM is the enemy, we are shooting at the wrong target. Allawi was treated according to the new Islamic Constitution of Iraq - "Islam is the official state Religion and NO LAW SHALL CONTRADICT ISLAM" PERIOD!

Notice how all the other parts of the constitution's "Tolerance" clauses were not evident in the way Shiites treated Allawi. We can expect more of this from Iraqi ISLAMIC Freedom.

.... if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas OR Sharia Shiites takes power by through electoral success, then we should not applaud it as democracy. They will institute highly repressive Islamist regimes, as is occuring in southern Iraq now, with the stated goal of opposing the United States, and civilization IN GENERAL. Such electoral results, will be no genuine victory for freedom, any more than if in their first post WWII elections the Germans had voted to bring the Nazis back in or the Japanese had brought back Tojo.


The draft constitution gives an undefined “Islam” constitutional authority, a practice shared by only about one third of the Muslim majority countries in the world. More worryingly, it places Sharia judges on the Supreme court—a practice followed by only Iran, Afghanistan, and, in its own fashion, Saudi Arabia. Not the best company.

President Bush should have used his influence ( Billions of Dollars, 160,000 troops) in Iraq to limit these extreme Sharia influences.


...a system that would have brought Islamists to power by free elections in Algeria in 1991, or that may bring them to power in Gaza in 2005, might be democratic but it would surely not further freedom. The United States should surely promote self-determination. But it makes little sense to pretend that everyone’s self-determination is in America’s interests. If, for example, there were truly free elections in Egypt, and the Muslim Brotherhood won, do people really think that would be better for us and for the world?


- is it somehow “racist” or “foolish” to observe that a culture which has not produced democracies as a matter of course over many centuries (and particularly over the last three centuries, when democracy has spread elsewhere) might be “undemocratic”? If, for example, the Shiites in Southern Iraq eventually split off from the Sunnis and Kurds, and either form their own country or marry up in some form with Iran, they will have determined their own fate but the resulting sharia state would not be a democracy recognizable to us.

It is noteworthy that the most successful democracy in the Muslim world has been Turkey – the nation that most rigorously walled Islamic culture out of political life - until recently and as a result has begun to side against the United States WOT.


Some try to compensate for this problem by advancing familiar refrain that the goal in Iraq is not to create a western style democracy but what is described as a “variant of democracy that answers their needs.” This just repositions the goal line to avoid conceding that Iraq and other authoritarian states are unlikely to reach the actual goal line paid for by OUR Billions and BLOOD.


The Iranians, or at least the mullahs in power, have settled on a variant of democracy that answers their needs – but I doubt anyone would regard it as a real democracy. No more blood for Islam. If they want

OUR Billions and

OUR BLOOD, - they must do it

OUR WAY!