Posted on 12/03/2005 6:18:54 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
The buffoons are the ignoramuses strolling around museums lying to kids that the history of the world is 5,000 years long, that living things do not evolve, and that there is no evidence when there is massive physical proof. It is really quite sad. I myself believe and trust in God, but I also know evolution is a fact, and am not threatened by it. The genius and beauty of it makes me awe our Creator even more.
I think ID proponents are misguided. It is the SOCIAL Darwinists who are the enemy. The abortionists, the euthanists, the "animal rights" activists and fascist environmentalists. That is the real threat. Not Charles Darwin. Not the Galapogos. Not evolution.
It seems so. This absurd "battle" recalls the Trial of Galileo. When the Church endorsed Ptolemaic nonsense over the truth, the great decline of the Catholic world began, and the subsequent rise of the Protestant Northern Europe. If we let people who reject science win again, it will be the United States which suffers this time.
I know Ruse's honesty is an embarrassment to you - but what can I say? LOL
The quote accurately reflects what Ruse believes. Your protest is just a reflection of your embarrassment at his honesty. LOL
Grandiose.
Doubting the overreaching claims of evo will bring about the end of the world? Maybe as you know it. It might bring about the end of some grants--there's a lot of science, probably most, that can make use of evo as a model and not buy in at all to the grander claims of evos.
Evo as a model is vital. As anything else? Just a Nat'l Geo pastime. Like cosmology, archeology, paleontolgy--interesting, but ultimately so speculative because it is unaccountable. The real scientist is accountable--if he's creating a new med, he might kill people. That keeps him from making ridiculous claims and daydreaming through beautfiul artists' renderings of the dinosaur world. We can't really afford all the daydreamers, anyway--the accountable science is expensive enough.
I am not advocating the following, just throwing it out for your input
If things get worse...
What if a fair number of science supporting conservatives were to join their local democratic party and form "Democrats for a sane fiscal policy" or some such. Run a candidate or two. Ally with the local Democrats for Life (they really exist and are quite vocal, but they are not just pro-life, they are anti-war, so it would depend on the international situation)
IOW...coopt the democratic party to save science. Sneak conservative values in one at a time or return to supporting Republicans as soon as the worst of the attack on science is over.
So let me get this straight.
Scientists who work hard, research, and publish on evolution (about 50,000 peer-reviewed papers in the last decade alone) are "entitled".
But ID proponents, who do no research, do not work, and have published ZERO during that same decade, are somehow justified???
Yeah, right /sarc.
I have a different perspective. Scientists who work hard, conduct research, and publish hare true scientists. And IDers who produce nothing in 10 years, but seem to pull a scam where they can still get themselves funded, are, by definition, scam artists (or feather merchants or snake-oil salesmen).
Found another one.
This quote was taken from an area in Darwin's Notebook M where he was discussing an evolutionary approach to what has become the cognitive sciences. It is not a reference to the ToE in general as is implied by this quote mine.
Wow--gotta save your post for future ref! Placemark...
Baby Fae.
Coopting is not new..but you have to keep your principles when you do it.
I am very opposed to a new middle ages scenario developing
If anything the anti-scientists are more like Marxists thany anything else we've seen recently...think Mao's flowers blooming and the overthrow of the educated in Stalin's Russia.
Because that's what happens when your doctor does not believe in evolution.
Evolution, like all of science is incomplete. That is why we continue to work on it. But it is typical creationist ignorence to state: " blinded by their materialist worldview". The arrogance is astounding. By what omniscience do you think you can you possible state so categorically what scientists think? Can you read minds? What basis do you have other than your sheer arrogance?
Wholly bereft of any argument based in science evolutionists are forced to resort to personally attacking the people who raise such important questions.
Nonsense again. You couldn't possibly recognize science, so you can you state that evolution is bereft of it?? MOreover, we don't attack the people who raise important questions. Indeed, when ID was first proposed, it was not attacked. That was 10 years ago. But after 10 years, ID has ceased to be a working hypothesis. It is time for results. What are the results of ID?? How many published papers to document their research and investigations?? Absolutely ZERO. Nothing, Nada. So, after 10 years we correctly attack ID because it has failed. The IDers had their chance. After 10 years they have nothing to show for it. We don't attack those who raise questions. We do attack those charlatans who produce nothing in 10 years except criticism.
You and your fellow evolutionists are in trouble, RWP, because your theory sucks.
This is your educated opinion, I suppose. And your alternative??? ID, whose total contribution to science is zero??? Oh yeah, that's an improvement.
Let's see, RWP is an actual working scientist who actually produces science results and publishes them.
And you are?
But somehow he should be ashamed???
One of my favorite conservative authors is Thomas Sowell. And Dr. Sowell's central point quite often is that our society is easily divided into those who produce things of value and those who criticise them for doing it, but produce nothing. It's a fair definition of why many are conservative... we actually produce.
It's pretty clear what RWP produces in science.
It's pretty clear that you can criticize. Now, what do you produce??
I might point out that the whole idea of using any kind of animal as transplant tissue in the early eighties hardly portends a Terrible World That Evos Don't Run.
'Twas ego killed the child.
"You had it spelled out for you in post #71. Stop trying to make me responsible for your inability to comprehend it. :)"
No, you never explained it. Please do so, in YOUR words. What was Darwin challenging in Locke's metaphysics? And what is the *gotcha!* about the quote from Darwin?
Unless of course, you are incapable of explaining it in your words. :)
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