Posted on 12/02/2005 12:04:27 PM PST by Crackingham
Sometime soon, I can envision the ACLU suing to prevent players from wearing christian symbols or from praying during sporting events conducted at publicly funded venues.
some places its very important.. like NASCAR. any sport that you run a good risk of dying is a very proper place for prayer before a game.
What a bunch of silly asses.
I just hope they stay away from the racetracks.
Matthew 6
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
We also see the chest thumping 'It's all me!' guys too. They must be representing the atheists.
Paul, an Apostle of Jesus said that he would that men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting. This is the will of God for every man. When the Supreme Court said we can't pray at a football game, they came against what God wanted and now he is removing them and replacing them. It wouldn't surprise me to see the balance of the court agree with God before Bush's term is over.
A football player for the Colts, Dallas Clark, was reprimanded and fined by the league for having a black cross drawn on the white band of tape around his wrist.
> When the Supreme Court said we can't pray at a football game...
Huh? When did *that* ruling come down?
In Texas it has been tradition for decades for the announcer or someone from the press box to lead the crowd in prayer for the Lord to watch over the players. The Supreme Court said it was unlawful. Of course I may quietly pray if I want, which is fine but my statement still stands, watch the Court overturn their ruling.
"I don't think a relationship with the Lord only occurs in church or only in your own private lives..."
If your relationship with God in only in church or your private life it isn't much of a relationship.
Ummm... ahem: "the Supreme Court said we can't pray at a football game" is *not* the same as "students couldn't lead crowds in prayer before football games."
As you yourself point out, you are free to pray all you like. It's when government agents (the school in this case) use their influence to lead prayer... that's trickier.
Besides: look at the state of publik edumacation. Do you really want the same people in charge of *that* trainwreck meddling in your religion???
There is a logical distinction between an organized public prayer (I can't think of a better term right now) at a public, state funded school or college and an organized public prayer at a professional sporting event. It's an understandable...note I did not say right or wrong...argument that the former is a governmental act promoting one religion over others, whereas the latter is a public expression of religion by individuals. Whether the Consitutional seperation between Church and State is correctly interpreted is a seperate question. I don't think the fact that a stadium is publically owned is enough to forbid public prayer either, since there is a rental or lease or something like that making its use for a sporting event a private activity. Just my opinion.
Yeah. "Disagreement." 99% of the public vs. ACLU.
So far as I know, all the USSC pronouncements on prayer in stadiums have had to do with schools.
Both these practices were sanctioned by the very same people who wrote the Constitution, I might add.
You extreme leftist interpretation of the establishment clause is just plain absurd.
> You extreme leftist interpretation ...
Fundamental error, negating all value of the rest of your post.
Ever notice that television cameras NEVER even get a fleeting shot of opposing football players kneeling in prayer at the 50-yard line after a game? It's like an allergic reaction may happen if prayer is seen!!!
Sure it is. If the tradition and "culture" of Texas is to pray over the players at a football game, and as most of the community at the game is led by a student or teacher in the announcers booth then "we" can't pray at a football game per our custom. Neither I nor the 200 people at the game have to silence ourselves because you might be offended and I am happy to say that at the most recent game I attended, the tradition is continued.
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