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A drought of farm labor
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 12/2/5 | Daniel B. Wood

Posted on 12/02/2005 4:53:42 AM PST by Crackingham

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To: NC28203
I'm not saying that it is impossible to mechanize all of this, but there are likely some crops that just do not lend themselves to mechanization.

So after the table grape growers go broke, they will have to sell the land to Hutterite farmers who will have plenty of home-grown labor to harvest the crop. Problem solved.

81 posted on 12/02/2005 2:31:45 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans
re: Just wash the tomatoes

You would have to harvest the tomatoes right after they were defoliated. But it takes several days for the leaves to die and fall off the plant. During that time the defoliant is going to be absorbed by the plant and some of it will get into the tomato itself, and washing isn't going to remove it. Depending on the defoliant used it can be a good deal more toxic than laundry detergent. Agent Orange is a classic example.

But you're right in the long run. Regardless of the cost, it's more important to our nation to control the tremendous cost of illegal immigration.

I don't think I will ever understand how our government allowed immigration to get this far out of control!
82 posted on 12/02/2005 2:33:43 PM PST by jwpjr
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To: jwpjr
Personally, I don't care how they look, it's how they taste! I love tomatoes, sliced and salted!

Wasn't there a big fight about a year ago in Florida regarding a tomato that was very tasty, but was not attractive enough for the state ag commission. They restricted marketing on the pretense that the product would give Florida tomatoes a bad reputation because it was too ugly.

83 posted on 12/02/2005 2:35:45 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Dan Evans

"So after the table grape growers go broke, they will have to sell the land to Hutterite farmers who will have plenty of home-grown labor to harvest the crop. Problem solved."

Having seen how Hutterite farmers live...

It'll be about the same level of squalor as you see today with illegal immigrant encampments, but at least it will be ALL-AMERICAN squalor.


84 posted on 12/02/2005 2:37:22 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: hispanarepublicana
In Texas, wine grape harvesting is entirely automated.

What a relief! Thank you. I was afraid I was going to have to start drinking Australian wine.

85 posted on 12/02/2005 2:38:37 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: cyborg
This is other side of the story. If people don't want to work then what are these guys supposed to do?

Ruin the country doncha know.

Apparently whoever wrote that piece has absolutely no awareness of economics. Sounds like a set-up piece to me. I refuse to believe all that. I bet if they pay $1/hr. more than the "illegals rate" elsewhere, they'd get every last one of those damn things picked within days.

86 posted on 12/02/2005 2:39:15 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Ben Ficklin
We need more mexicans.

That seems like kind of a racist statement. Why specifically Mexicans?

Here in Wyoming we have been importing a few mainland Chinese via Canada to work in our expanding gas industry. I am told they have lots of drilling experience and are exceptionally well trained, have great work ethics and work cheap. Wouldn't more highly trained Chinese be preferable as labor for the Kansas oil industry rather than unskilled Mexicans? That is assuming that we can't attract Americans into these jobs by simply raising wages. We have been able to convince an amazing number of Americans to move to Wyoming to work in our industry so higher wages seem to work.

One of the supposed benefits of immigration is diversity. We are told diversity is our strength. I think it is baloney but if there is any truth to it, don't you think we should be cutting off Mexican immigration because it has made up an overwhelming and disproportionate percentage of the total?

How about increasing diversity by importing more people from India? They are usually far better educated and culturally they seem more interested in educating their children then Mexicans do. America might be well served by bringing in more Indians and less Mexicans as we would end up with a better educated second generation of immigrants. And my small town has three Mexican restaurants but not a single Indian restaurant. We need some diversity!

Why not other kinds of Hispanics? I am of Cuban ancestry. Cubans are flourishing in America. They do not seem as inclined to become a permanent underclass which seems to be the path that most Mexicans are following in California. Argentinians are well educated people and in my travels there I noticed that an exceptional number of them speak English and that would be a real plus.

87 posted on 12/02/2005 2:40:47 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Ben Ficklin
You used gas as an example. Demand for gas is inelastic. Demand doesn't change with price.

It did in this house. I quit my long-commute job and looked for local work instead; we got real serious about whether we needed to actually go somewhere in the car or not.

Oil companies' best strategy is to raise prices just short of the point where people will change their habits so as to reduce their fuel requirements. With us, this most recent time, they went way over the line.

88 posted on 12/02/2005 2:40:50 PM PST by Oberon (As a matter of fact I DO want fries with that.)
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To: Fruitbat

"I bet if they pay $1/hr. more than the "illegals rate" elsewhere, they'd get every last one of those damn things picked within days."

Possibly. But they'd probably lose money on the deal.


89 posted on 12/02/2005 2:41:15 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: tropical
These farmers are finding out the hardway that illegal aliens won't be picking their crops when they can get better work elsewhere for better wages.

Yeah, and once they reach critical mass in certain portions of certain states, they'll start clamoring for other benefits and higher wages and all the rest. As if that's unforeseeable.

America deserves to go down the tubes. Sadly, those that tried to prevent it go out with the bathwater.

90 posted on 12/02/2005 2:41:24 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: hispanarepublicana
sooner or later we'll have to move Navy destroyers to the coast of South America just to keep our food supply steadily streaming to our shores.

And when we go to help suppress a revolution, the liberals will scream, "No blood for grapes"!

91 posted on 12/02/2005 2:42:02 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Crackingham

Its the fault of Cesar Chavez.


92 posted on 12/02/2005 2:42:09 PM PST by hgro (A)
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To: Dan Evans
Yes, as a matter of fact it was named the "Ugly Tomato" and they did indeed stop farmers from shipping it outside the state.

The buying/consuming public is VERY fickle! The market for apparently damaged tomatoes would be quite small, even if the damage was only cosmetic.

Even so, I prefer secure borders to the other considerations.
93 posted on 12/02/2005 2:43:07 PM PST by jwpjr
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To: Crackingham

Someone will come up with a machine to do this, just as they have come up with farming equipment that was once done by horse and man. Robotics...?


94 posted on 12/02/2005 2:44:07 PM PST by tillacum (MERRY CHRISTMANS ONE AND ALL. THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST, THE TEACHER)
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To: Ben Ficklin
We need more mexicans.

We need more Mexicans like Osama Bin Laden needs more nose hairs.

95 posted on 12/02/2005 2:44:53 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: tillacum

"Someone will come up with a machine to do this, just as they have come up with farming equipment that was once done by horse and man. Robotics...?"

It would be an incredibly expensive machine, most likely used for some other function (such as open-heart surgery) that justifies the price tag.


96 posted on 12/02/2005 2:46:36 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: dennisw
The program must be strictly enforced with no families and no anchor babies.

How is that going to work. If she gets pregnant, she has to go home?

97 posted on 12/02/2005 2:47:33 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Go to a Caratos "store". You will see the "poor" taking what they need. You will also see senior citizens out in the fields picking fruit and vegetables to fill the shelves of the Caratos store, during the picking seasons. You'll seldom, if ever, seen one of the poor out there working in the hot dirty fields. Why should the welfare recipient work in the fields for $8.50 an hour, when they can sit on their porch and let someone else do it. I see too many of these "poor", living and eating much better than a lot of us. Burns me up.


98 posted on 12/02/2005 2:48:36 PM PST by tillacum (MERRY CHRISTMANS ONE AND ALL. THE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS CHRIST, THE TEACHER)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
How much more are you willing to pay for food than you pay now?

If I had to for the sake of national security, I would give up half my lifestyle. And illegal immigration is a major security issue. These people are forming street gangs, they are committing crimes, and they are voting for crooked politicians.

99 posted on 12/02/2005 2:52:40 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: jwpjr
Depending on the defoliant used it can be a good deal more toxic than laundry detergent. Agent Orange is a classic example.

So why would tomato growers use a toxic defoliant and poison their customers? In Vietnam they were not spraying crops, and the defoliant had residual traces dioxins (the toxicity of dioxins is way, way overstated), but today they use Roundup that uses a plant enzyme to do the deed. The only hazard from Roundup is the surfactants (soap) that can be washed off.

100 posted on 12/02/2005 3:01:18 PM PST by Dan Evans
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