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First things first on the border
Christian Science Monitor ^ | from the November 29, 2005 edition | The Monitor's View

Posted on 11/28/2005 5:39:48 PM PST by MRMEAN

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To: MRMEAN
Without first showing the border can be secured enough to drastically reduce illegal migration, the president's other priorities such as a "guest worker" program should not be implemented.

Secure the borders first. Deportation follows.

21 posted on 11/28/2005 6:24:54 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: Galveston Grl
"I have been wondering who is going to round up and ship out all the "temporary" workers when their three years are up and what is going to prevent the next Democrat President running for re-election giving all the temporary workers citizenship in time for the election.

You noticed that too huh?

22 posted on 11/28/2005 6:27:32 PM PST by moehoward
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To: All
returning illegal migrants captured along the Mexican border back to the interior of Mexico rather than releasing them simply on the other side. (Such a step would reduce the incentive for those who keep trying to find one of many holes in the US security system.)

This Knight Ridder Newspapers, Arizona Daily Star, Jun. 30 article reprinted at

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/07/immigrantreturn.php

says

"The program, approved by Hutchinson earlier this month and known as interior repatriation, is designed to funnel illegal immigrants away from the Arizona-Sonora desert, where punishing heat has killed hundreds, by flying the migrants to Mexico City or Guadalajara and then busing them to their towns.

"The agreement caps months of delicate negotiations with Mexico, where the concept of interior repatriation is highly controversial.

"Mexican officials insisted that the repatriation be voluntary and that detainees not be handcuffed.

"Mexican consular officials will interview the migrants to ensure their decision to fly is voluntary. "

[End excerpt]

Neither the President's speech nor the CSM pointed out that it all depends upon the Mexicans themselves. It appears to me.

23 posted on 11/28/2005 6:36:05 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Move over Henny Youngman.. please! "The most trusted news source." CNN)
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To: dennisw; gubamyster; HiJinx
If the USBP had a modern multiple fence border system to defend, they could do their job easily.

But our leaders want the borders open to allow in dirt cheap illegal alien labor, which is why they will NOT build a fence.


25 posted on 11/28/2005 6:55:42 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Galveston Grl
This is my fictional prediction of how it will play out.

Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.

Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”

Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.

Overnight, wavering Democrat states became locks, and swing states with large Hispanic populations went solidly “blue.” The result was the recent election which had brought Gobernador Deleon to power in Nuevo Mexico, and had also brought radical Democrats to power in the White House and both houses of congress.

Thus had come the political tsunami which swept all before it, a tidal wave triggered by an undocumented lawn maintenance worker named Fernando Ortiz.

26 posted on 11/28/2005 6:57:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

Yikes! Good insight Travis. I can see this happening.


27 posted on 11/28/2005 7:11:16 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Travis McGee
That's some scary stuff, Travis..

More like premonition than prediction though..
If you know what I mean.. ;o)

28 posted on 11/28/2005 7:12:06 PM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Galveston Grl; Drammach

That's one way it might play out. Civil War Two is another.


29 posted on 11/28/2005 7:25:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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30 posted on 11/28/2005 7:41:00 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: theDentist

"No, this week he's giving speeches to provide amnesty to illegals, but using any other word for 'amnesty' that his speech-writers can find."

The new word is "normalization".


31 posted on 11/28/2005 7:41:22 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Travis McGee; planekT

Trav, listen to this if you want a good roar.

http://www.wadejacoby.com/pedro/


32 posted on 11/28/2005 7:43:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: ConsentofGoverned
"can't be done , impossible, too complex," thats just what the AG Gonzales,BUSH and The GOP talking heads are saying night after night day after day while Thousands of illegals pour over our borders each day."

Actually, the sock puppet Chertoff actually said it was too "impractical".

LOL
33 posted on 11/28/2005 7:43:37 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Travis McGee
RE: "The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA."

As I recall that is exactly the reason McCain and Bingaman used to sell their Federal Responsibility for Immigrant Health Act. We didn't enforce the law, we let them in, we're responsible for their health and welfare.

I think McCain has learned to be less frank. To wit, he has a plan that would require ILLEGAL aliens pay a fine and pay all back taxes. Pay back taxes? I swear it seems to me that when the back taxes are computed the "earned income credit" will kick in and we'll owe them.

34 posted on 11/28/2005 9:01:43 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Move over Henny Youngman.. please! "The most trusted news source." CNN)
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To: ThoreauHD
Immigrants are great. I like most mexicans. They don't want to do well. Ugly as sin- but they are trying hard and do the best they can.

Well, how kind of you to feel that way. Maybe we can get a law passed to only let the pretty illegals in, eh?

Ugly is as ugly does.

You're a pig.

35 posted on 11/29/2005 2:59:52 AM PST by cartman90210 (Gone, but not forgotten - check out my profile page for "The Wit And Wisdom Of Bayourod"!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Exactly! We'll owe THEM!


36 posted on 11/29/2005 8:27:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: gubamyster


Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


37 posted on 11/29/2005 9:04:27 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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