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2nd KU class denies status of science to design theory
Lawrence Journal-World ^
| Sunday, November 27, 2005
| Sophia Maines
Posted on 11/28/2005 6:54:46 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Virginia-American
I went to school with a guy who looked like a Neanderthal - hugely muscular, brow ridge, rather short and compact, very hairy. Also totally brilliant, claimed to be a descendant of Thomas Jefferson.
All 6 boys in my family have a hairy mane on the back of their necks. My one brother's mane goes all the way down his back.
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:31:24 PM PST
by
moog
To: lonestar67
Science will absolutely collapse and be destroyed if intelligent design is even mentioned as an alternative viewpoint.
Haven't heard anyone say it like that, but hey, hold your breath and throw a tantrum if you want.
It is quite true that science education would be severely harmed if every non-scientific religious concept were mentioned as "alternative viewpoints" in science classes.
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:31:47 PM PST
by
aNYCguy
To: CarolinaGuitarman
>>>It was the preponderance of evidence that gave evolution it's position as one of the best supported sciences.<<<
Or, it was the first time self-proclaimed athiests found a way (scientific, if you must) to challenge the universal belief that God created the heaven, the earth, and all its hosts.
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:34:50 PM PST
by
PhilipFreneau
("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " - Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
To: Alter Kaker
>>>Humans ourselves are the last surviving subspecies of the species Homo sapiens -- which also at one point included Archaic Homo sapiens, Homo sapiens idaltu , Homo heidelbergensis, Neandertals, and, quite possibly, H. erectus/ergaster.<<<
This is faith-based myth.
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:36:00 PM PST
by
PhilipFreneau
("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " - Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
To: Thatcherite
>>>ID is thousands of years old and thus far is batting zero.<<<
Then why are evolutionists so afraid of it?
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:37:21 PM PST
by
PhilipFreneau
("The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. " - Psalms 14:1, 53:1)
To: PhilipFreneau
"Or, it was the first time self-proclaimed athiests found a way (scientific, if you must) to challenge the universal belief that God created the heaven, the earth, and all its hosts."
Nope. Thanks for playing!
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:38:01 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: RonF
You said, "By adding religiously motivated falsehoods to the biology curriculum, they infringe on the right of Kansans to be free of an established religion.", but you failed to make it clear how the actions of the Kansas BoE can be considered to have either added religiously motivated falsehoods to the biology curriculum or how these actions comprise an establishment of a religion.If you'd like a fuller exposition on the new Kansas standards and why they're falsehoods, see my blog.
To: PhilipFreneau
Or a common Designer. Only if the designer is a lunatic, working at cross-purposes with Himself (designing opposing systems that fight one another), and trying to make it look (for Mysterious Purposes) as if evolution is the driving force. Apparently this Designer of yours changes his designs over time to produce a fossil record that matches the predictions of evolution. A Designer doesn't have to do that. Also He inserts retroviruses into DNA that match the predictions of evolution. A Designer doesn't have to do that either. He places a different species of flightless bird on every oceanic island. Why? He places fossil marsupials in antarctica. Why? He designs whales with vestigial legs hidden inside their bodys, and then creates a fossil sequence of creatures that look like land-dwellers slowly losing their legs over millions of years. Why?
Evolutionists are anti-science cultists who absolutely refuse to allow anyone to question the fundamental teachings of their cult. More generally, Evolutionists fall into the "Flat-Earth" category; Behe is their Gallileo.
You are aware I am sure that Behe accepts the following:
- The common descent of all life on earth,including for example humans and apes
- The earth is billions of years old
- No intervention by the Designer is evident in the last hundreds of millions of years
- No evidence that the Designer is still around at all
How many of those tenets of ID do you support?
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:38:50 PM PST
by
Thatcherite
(F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
To: PhilipFreneau
"My brother-in-law claims to be an athiest, too; but he cannot answer this simple question: where did the heaven, the earth, and all its host come from? Can you answer it?"
Sometimes the intellectually honest answer is *We don't know.*
This is one of those times.
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:39:08 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: PhilipFreneau
My brother-in-law claims to be an athiest, too; but he cannot answer this simple question: where did the heaven, the earth, and all its host come from? Can you answer it? Can you answer "where did existance come from?"
To: Thatcherite
It is interesting that humans have blood types A, B, AB, O and a number of variations, for example, Rh factor plus or minus. Chimps have three of these types. In most other mammals, blood types are not recognized. Erythrocytes came lately in mammalian evolution. Earlier life forms merely circulated the molecules in the blood.
It is very supportive of evolution that blood evolved around the haemo-porphyrin molecule. The chlorophyll molecule is also based on a porphryin ring, but at the center is a magnesium atom instead of an iron atom.
Some animals use a copper-based molecule for oxygen transport to tissues. Lobsters, for example.
The creator of "intelligent design" obviously made a lot of experiments trying to "get it right".
Perhaps "trial and error" played a large role in the "creator's creation"?
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:40:23 PM PST
by
thomaswest
(Just Curious)
To: PhilipFreneau
There is no Constitutional right to be free of an established religion. The Constitution protects us only from the Congress, in that the "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".This was true until July 9, 1868.
To: PhilipFreneau
>>>You asked for a verified example, and I gave you one -- How about Homo erectus =====> Homo sapiens.<<< LOL. You are some comedian!
You stated speciation did not exist, and now several people have posted evidence to the contrary. And your response -- LOL.
If you cannot bring anything better to the discussion why do you bother?
Do you have any evidence to show that Homo erectus did not lead to Homo sapiens. Or is it your religious belief that contradicts this?
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:41:39 PM PST
by
Coyoteman
(I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
To: CarolinaGuitarman
Sometimes the intellectually honest answer is *We don't know.*
This is one of those times.
I don't think anyone knows ALL the answers. I sure don't.
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:41:49 PM PST
by
moog
To: PhilipFreneau
Then why are evolutionists so afraid of it? I'm not afraid of it. I just don't want it taught in science class, because it doesn't meet the basic standards of science; observation, predictions, falsifiability. I am in favour of religion classes at public schools, where such things can be freely and uncontroversially taught.
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:42:20 PM PST
by
Thatcherite
(F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
To: PhilipFreneau
You mean, there is no Math in Behe's theories, don't you?Math nothing. There are no theories in Behe's theories.
To: moog
"I don't think anyone knows ALL the answers. I sure don't."
Nor do I. :)
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:42:43 PM PST
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: moog; js1138
What about quantum theory has changed since 1928? Quarks, gluons, the "colors" etc. The generations of matter: strange, charmed, etc.
To: Right Wing Professor
Certainly, if you think it's driven by randomness, you are seriously misinformed.
Then what drives evolution then, Prof? You either have chance or design. Unless you have come up with a third way?
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posted on
11/28/2005 2:45:19 PM PST
by
garybob
(More sweat in training, less blood in combat.)
To: CarolinaGuitarman
Wish i even knew .00000001% of answers
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