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Bush visit [Tucson] highlights GOP rifts on border
The Arizona Daily Star ^ | 11.27.2005 | Mitch Tobin

Posted on 11/27/2005 6:17:30 AM PST by Borax Queen

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To: staytrue; Condor51
Nothing in this story suggest poor workmanship. It all seems to point to engineering or equipment failure. Your (staytrue) claim that the problems are due to American labor are unfounded.

Go Bears. 13-10

161 posted on 11/27/2005 7:44:38 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Sam the Sham
A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008

Most people think prop 209 (which I thought was a good idea), flipped CA from red to blue.

162 posted on 11/27/2005 9:22:10 PM PST by staytrue
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To: raybbr; Condor51
It all seems to point to engineering or equipment failure.

They built a gymnasium. The engineering for a gymnasium is simple enough that I doubt the problem is there. Further, new equipment should not be failing in the first 2 months. I think workmanship is the problem here.

I know you want to blame the illegals for this, but the gym is about 400 yards from the main library, about 100 yards from the south end of Ohio Stadium, about 200 yards from Lincoln Tower. It is a high profile project in the middle of public employee union heaven. There is no way illegals could work there without a stink being raised.

163 posted on 11/27/2005 9:28:53 PM PST by staytrue
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Tucker Carlson is the ideal card carrying member of the GOP.


164 posted on 11/27/2005 11:46:56 PM PST by Pelham
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To: staytrue
Most people think prop 209 (which I thought was a good idea), flipped CA from red to blue.

That would be interesting, considering that Prop 209 was a ban on racial preferences and didn't concern itself with illegal immigration. Which must mean you are yet one more "expert" on California politics who lives outside of the State.

165 posted on 11/27/2005 11:53:31 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Borax Queen
With the backing of businesses who need foreign employees

What a strange way for them to put this.

Why not just say, "With the backing of businesses who desire dirt cheap labor".....

166 posted on 11/27/2005 11:53:47 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Spiff
You're so full of crap. No one here has any hatred of small businesses that produce good products and services. What we have is anger at business who break the law and engage in unfair business practices. We hate businesses whose unfair business practices and lawbreaking may result it larger profits for the business owner, and rarely lower prices to the consumer, that end up passing the costs on to the taxpayer and those who live in communities which are inundated by criminal invaders.

Wow instead of hating business so much, why don't you put your animus at the true culprit, govt. which puts roadblocks in front of people and getting rid of the costly social programs, that actually raise the prices for all, but no you constantly demonize business, and not one word of reforming regulations, cutting taxes, reforming social security, corrupt labor unions, etc.etc.

167 posted on 11/28/2005 2:05:18 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

You like to dress up criminal behavior by whining about "regulations" and whatnot.


168 posted on 11/28/2005 3:56:05 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham
You like to dress up criminal behavior by whining about "regulations" and whatnot.

Huh I guess to you, people who grow food or build buildings, are displaying criminal behavior.(rolling eyes)

169 posted on 11/28/2005 3:58:44 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: staytrue
Or Artificially decreasing the labor market by barring willing workers from mexico could also be called market manipulation.

Sovereign nations control their borders and enforce their laws. There is nothing "artificial" about that. I see you are one of those "we are a market, not a nation" open borders WSJ types.

170 posted on 11/28/2005 4:02:30 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Borax Queen

My point is..its as much our fault as it is anyones fault.

We all want cheaper stuff..so we buy cheaper stuff. I.E. Wal Mart. Same goes here. They hire illegals to undercut the price of construction. The people go "OH GOODY GOODY! WE CAN GET OUR DREAM HOUSE BUILT FOR 50 GRAND LESS!"

Think it doesnt happen? Go to KC, and places like that, and take a look at all the new home construction crews. And dont think the contractors hire them directly..they dont. They hire them as sub contractors.

Yet guess who buys those homes? Now tell me who's at fault? Huh?


171 posted on 11/28/2005 4:02:34 AM PST by crz
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To: stopem

No I will build my own house. Thank you. That is if I figure out who hands I grease to get the permits. Seems as if that goes on these days since the contractors have to have these places inspected for code and the inspectors actuallt talk and see these illegals working on the site.


172 posted on 11/28/2005 4:05:09 AM PST by crz
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To: Dane

Don't lie (but then again, criminals are liars. Criminals are full of excuses to rationalize and defend their conduct. Criminals love to blame others. Criminals love to see themselves as Robin Hoods defying the system. You are no different from any "My father abused me...my mommy never loved me...I never had a chance" whiner career criminal.).


173 posted on 11/28/2005 4:05:24 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

You are delusional, but it ain't against the law to think that people who build buildings and grow food are "criminal".


174 posted on 11/28/2005 4:08:00 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

You know perfectly well that businesses who routinely use illegals are, in effect, criminal exercises. So stop lying like a career criminal.


175 posted on 11/28/2005 4:09:35 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: jeremiah; raybbr
My observation exactly, when is the last time he faced people that are not constrained by court martial, if they don't "show respect, and cheer"?

Precisely.

A president who can't show his face in public is like LBJ in 1967.

And this isn't New York or California. This is Arizona.

176 posted on 11/28/2005 4:13:58 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: antisocial

No what I say there is when you come to my area you act respectful-hasnt got one GD thing to do with the issue here. So whats your problem? Got a problem with my post so lets go attack the messenger. Typical for a liberal.

Seems as if you are like one of those union boys who come up here and do exactly like I stated in my profile, are you?

And I do have a problem with illegals. But also think anyone should be able to come here LEGALLY to work in this country. Why? Because it is obvious that some Americans wont stoop so low to do some jobs..."sarc"


177 posted on 11/28/2005 4:14:25 AM PST by crz
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To: Dane
but it ain't against the law to think that people who build buildings and grow food are "criminal".

But it is a felony to knowingly employ an illegal.

178 posted on 11/28/2005 4:18:18 AM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Dane

I wonder how many of these geeks on here have actually had to have made out a payroll, pay the workmens comp insurance, pay General contractor liability insurance, fill out and deposit the fica's, fed tax, futa tax, state and local tax. UC insurance.

My WC insurance is at 54.70 per hundred. I wonder how many of these assholes got enough brains to figure out what that relates to when you add in the 7 for Social Security, the 10 for UC insurance...lets see..thats over 71 bucks for evvery one hundred bucks in payroll! So I hire sub contractors...dont have to put up with all that shit with them!

Not one of them has a clue..


179 posted on 11/28/2005 4:23:48 AM PST by crz
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To: crz

Exactly, amazing the ignorance shown by some on this thread of the excessive regulation and taxation on business.


180 posted on 11/28/2005 4:32:08 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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