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In New Jersey Town, Prayer Overshadows Football
NY Times ^ | Nov. 25, 2005 | KAREN CROUSE

Posted on 11/25/2005 2:52:51 AM PST by Pharmboy

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To: Pharmboy
You're assuming the coach is a bigot who treats non-Christians badly. I hope you're not a scientist.

I don't have to assume the coach is a bigot. He would still be a representative of the state pressuring kids to pray. Whether he is a bigot or not changes nothing. He's still wrong.

Oh, and scientists (and even mathmaticians for that matter) are allowed to assume. If you don't know that, you don't know science or math - which doesn't surprise me since non-scientists are much more likely to be advocates of prayer than scientists.

And you still did not answer my inquiry about the DOI: you want to edit the God references out?

Oh, now I'm attacking the framers, am I? You're just being a jerk with that question and I won't answer it.

41 posted on 11/26/2005 6:16:36 AM PST by mc6809e
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Here's where your reasoning is awful: you claim that the kids are being coerced. Well, jeez, school is one bout of coersion after another! Some kids don't like to do gym class--tough, but they can't opt out. Some kids don't want to take music class or math. Here they can opt out. If you haven't prepared your kids to deal with this sort of thing then you have not prepared them for life.

And your non-answer to my DOI question coupled with your calling me a jerk says it all: you have nothing intelligent to say, just snipe and issue ad hominem attacks (just google ad hominem if you don't know what it means).

42 posted on 11/26/2005 6:25:39 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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Here's where your reasoning is awful: you claim that the kids are being coerced. Well, jeez, school is one bout of coersion after another! Some kids don't like to do gym class--tough, but they can't opt out. Some kids don't want to take music class or math. Here they can opt out. If you haven't prepared your kids to deal with this sort of thing then you have not prepared them for life.

So you admit that prayer is just one other form of coercion in school that kids must learn to deal with?

Why don't you just give up now? You freely admit that these kids are being pressured by a representative of the state to pray. That's not consistent with the first amendment. Do you want to edit the first amendment?

And your non-answer to my DOI question coupled with your calling me a jerk says it all: you have nothing intelligent to say, just snipe and issue ad hominem attacks (just google ad hominem if you don't know what it means).

You ARE being a jerk with that question and you know it. It's a stupid question. Why don't you just tell me what point you're trying to make with the DOI?

43 posted on 11/26/2005 6:47:39 AM PST by mc6809e
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