Those Defensive Darwinists

The Seattle Times ^ | 11/21/05 | Jonathon Witt

[Baby Driver]

'Sience...is but a candle in a cavernous
foyer of a castle with infinite rooms.

The sum total of all that mans
science "understands" is but a
thimblefull of that which even
man can comprehend that we do
not know about the world around us.

These "scientists are as arrogant and
ignorant as the priests and Dojes
who mocked and pesecuted Copernicus.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Have you actually READ any advanced biology textbooks, let alone followed up reading the footnotes?"

No. I am not a biologist. My information comes from a survey of college biology textbooks that appeared in one of the ID books. I could look it up. The survey found that the theory of evolution received only passing mention in the textbooks.

[2nsdammit]

"I'd love to see the scientific establishment be as rigorous about teaching that homosexual activity causes AIDS and should be avoided, as they are about evolution. "

So you are in favor of Sex Education in our schools, then?

[2nsdammit]

I could look it up. By all means, do so. And post it here, so we could read it. Then we could debate the specific claim, rather than the paraphrased interpretation of it. That's all I ask for....

[vpintheak]

Ah Darwinists, just another group of lefty wanna-be control freaks.

[longshadow]

Yet another example of anti-Evo dishonesty, this time by omission. The posted article would appear to be a news article published by the Seattle Times.

It isn't.

It's a guest editorial written by, you guessed it, a functionary from the anti-Evo and misnamed "Discovery Institute" :

"Jonathan Witt is a senior fellow with Discovery Institute and co-author of "A Meaningful World: How the Arts and Science Reveal the Genius of Nature" (IVP 2006)."

But in as much as the anti-Evos were caught lying through their teeth under oath in the Dover Trial, it would be of little surprise that their apologists here on FR would resort to milder forms of deception, such as camouflaging the TRUE source of the posted article, by way of omission.

[LauraleeBraswell]

This statement was in response to me saying that people should be taught what we know thus far and then be able to decide for themselves. Evolution is a Generalization, we do not yet know all the specifics of it and probably never will.

""Look LauraLee...you're wrong. Darwinism has long ago been shown to be pure mythology. It's only supporters are the phoney profs that use it as a vehicle for dumbing down the naive student population and applying for federal grants, AND gullible followers. Tell me, when's the last time you saw a half man-half ape OR a half man-half fish? You suggest: Tell the truth and people can decide. It seems to me people are deciding and the darwinist "groupies" view this independent thought as encroachment on their turf. Since they cannot bear detailed scrutiny, they make haste to silence the opposition.""



You have got to be kidding me. No really, are you serious? Because I hate to tell you but that whole story about Adam and Eve- that's mythology. You are basically taking the position that the whole field of Anthropology is mythology. Do you not believe in Dinosaurs either?

[dhuffman@awod.com]

Read his self-identifying statement. He's some kind'a squish.

[doc30]

Intelligent questions are allowed. When ID has a couple, let us know.

You are quiote right. The only use ID has ever developed is to spur more research into what they call 'holes' in evolution. The flagellum is a great example. After the issue was raised by the IDer's, in particular Behe, biologists did their homework and learned a lot. And the information still supported evolution adn gained us more insight right down to the genetic level. The IDer's think they find 'holes' in evolution, but they are really promoting research opportunities that favor evolution.

THe only problem is that planning research like this is like playing a never ending whack-a-mole game.

[LauraleeBraswell]

The problem with sex education is that many schools don't teach the truth. There is nothing to fear in the truth. Truth educates. Now, we would have less of a public health problem if it was taught that anal penetration, a frequent practice of homosexual men, is the primary way AIDs is transmitted. That condoms were not made for anal sex, that condoms are 70% effective, and if young school age adults were shown the horrible effects of STDs.

[TN4Liberty]

It is a gross exaggeration.

Of course it is. And therefore worthy of being shouted down.

[doc30]

"Could it be that the 'junk DNA' found in the genome is actually meta-DNA that can 'think' and design useful, instead of random, mutations?

Actually, 'junk' DNA was termed that because it was non-encoding and carried left overs. But now information is showing that this DNA may have regulatory functions.

[LauraleeBraswell]

I wonder if she believes in Dinosaurs?

[The Old Hoosier]

I am opposed to public schools period. But that's all irrelevant to this topic.

[The Old Hoosier]

And you get HIV by...

[LauraleeBraswell]

There are many things that The Science of Evolution will never explain and it's up to people to decide for themselves what they want to believe. I say teach evolution as it is. Teach it because it's the Truth.

[doc30]

I have observed that despite their claim as scientists, the "Evo Only" crowd wants no other alternative to be discussed and respond to such with insults, attacks, and attempts to suppress both the speaker and the points.

The problem is that ID presents no evidence that can be reviewed. Evolution is an open book with the supporting facts in plain sight for everyone. ID has no evidence except the excuse of "it's too complicated to be understood so goddidit." ID is an abdication.

[2nsdammit]

Then where do you propose that said education (regarding homosexual activity and AIDS) should be imparted?

And you don't get to dismiss my questions out of hand - you brought it up!

[LauraleeBraswell]

Evolution tells us something but it cannot explain everything, And we're still learning. And Evolution doesn't and will never explain why we're here, it can tell us how we came here or how we descended to our present state. But there will always be gaps here and there. It's up to people to learn the Scientific truth and philosophize for themselves.

[GLDNGUN]

Well, if you had posted sooner, you would fulfilled your own prophecy.