Posted on 11/22/2005 7:11:21 AM PST by nckerr
USE? Nobody uses me...
There is some stuff out there that is treacle to my ears, that others love.
Still, I love God, and I love a song that lets me say that. There is room for other songs that have other messages, but a song service isn't complete to me if they haven't included something that lets me say what my insides are crying out to say. Thats the whole reason I'm there. Others have other needs, and there are other songs that mean more to them. Thats why you choose a variety.
What is a christian.?...
What is a church.?...
We do lots of stuff like "God of Wonders" which is a way of expressing our awe of God.
But at the same time, we do an arrangement of "Peaceful, Easy Feeling" where the verses are the verses to "Amazing Grace", and the chorus is "Peaceful, Easy Feeling". We've also done, "How Sweet it is (To be Loved By You)".
I just want to stop - and thank you, Jesus!
That IS worship.
You are dead wrong! For many this is God's greeting, as well as an embrace that many (having experienced it) will never want to shrug off.
"but no where will you see a Cross..."
Wouldn't that be "churchy", old-fashioned and divisive?
(To be fair...I do think that Lakewood is truly in a category of its own....it is not fair to lump it in with other megachurches....I think you could argue that Lakewood is effectively post-Christian....the other megachurches aren't post-Christian, they have just given too much over to consumerism culture...that is my opinion anyway, but I would be interested in anyone's opinion who has deep knowledge of LW AND others)
But at the same time, we do an arrangement of "Peaceful, Easy Feeling" where the verses are the verses to "Amazing Grace", and the chorus is "Peaceful, Easy Feeling". We've also done, "How Sweet it is (To be Loved By You)".
Are you joking?
They also sing, "I don't care if it rains or freezes..." /jk
I wasn't condescending, damn it. If I deign to condescend, trust me........you'll know it.
Youth groups are about association, pure and simple. Christian kids hanging with Christian kids. They aren't meant to replace Sunday services or parental teachings...merely to supplement them.
It has been said by people far wiser than you and me that who and what you'll be in ten years depends on two things: A) the books you read, and B) the people you associate with. My teen sons attend youth group (one is a bass player in their worship band) and they love it. They 'hang' with great kids and hear good words, too (youth pastor is a VERY mature late-20-something; the head pastor's son, and one terriic preacher in his own right).
Too many try to look at Christianity FAR too hard. There is nothing wrong with Christian kids associating with other Christian kids and hearing uplifting music and scriptural messages. As a dad of seven, I'm all too aware of the alternatives available to teens now days. No, I'll take an evangelical Youth Group that is well-run, well-structured, and well-led any day.
I feel like I'm watching MAD TV!!
"You are dead wrong!"
What, precisely, are you referring to?
But what's the motive?
1) To worship God and give Him the reverence and awe He is due?
or
2) To have catchy, easy-listening tunes that appeal to man?
Worship is about Him, not us.
Nope. Is there some biblical list of forbidden styles of music, or an injunction that only songs with "thee" and "thou" are acceptible?
I would guess that you wouldn't approve because we are not reverent enough (that's usually the objection to praise and worship services)
I can tell you, one does not need a pipe organ to be reverent.
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name,
there am I in the midst of them."
Matthew 18:20
There are lots of things Dude doesnt know....he just wont entertain that notion. Put Dude on your prayer list, he's going on mine...I just feel sorry for him; he doesnt know the God of the Bible.
Number 1.
When we sing "I just want to stop and thank you Jesus" - we mean it.
I'm beginning to think that what we're dealing with here is a deep-rooted aversion to drums and jeans in church.
"I would guess that you wouldn't approve because we are not reverent enough"
BINGO.
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