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Adults enforce wrong standard for school kids (Surprising editorial from Pitts)
Miami Herald ^ | 11/21/2002 | BY LEONARD PITTS JR.

Posted on 11/21/2005 8:19:30 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

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To: orionblamblam

Check out your military service academy students.

There you have bright minds who also have physical prowess.

Too bad that you seem to think in the either/or mode. Life isn't a two way decision gate.

Fortunately there are enough engineers out here who are more developed and well rounded than you.


21 posted on 11/21/2005 9:54:59 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: NYCVirago

Threaten lawsuits, indeed! So there is the deeply buried root of this social problem (and many others)...entirely too d**ned many lawyers, with nothing better to do (like getting a REAL job;)


22 posted on 11/21/2005 9:55:04 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Eagle Eye

Of course, we could all emulate Bobby Fisher...

Let's all hide under a rock...


23 posted on 11/21/2005 9:56:39 AM PST by moog
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To: 2banana

extorting as much money from the community for as little work as possible

You're right, I HARDLY do any work as a teacher because it's such an easy job. The parents appreciate my lack of effort too.


24 posted on 11/21/2005 9:57:57 AM PST by moog
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To: orionblamblam

Here's an idea: get rid of athletic teams in schools.

Half of the town where I grew up would lynch someone for making a statement like that. While the FOCUS should not be on them, I liked going to them as a teenager. I went back to my first high school football game in YEARS. The old atmosphere was back.


25 posted on 11/21/2005 9:59:59 AM PST by moog
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To: metmom

Apples don't fall too far from the trees.


26 posted on 11/21/2005 10:00:34 AM PST by moog
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To: Blessed

They would not only shake hands but give the girls on the other team a Gatorade.

That can make your hair sticky you know:).


27 posted on 11/21/2005 10:01:23 AM PST by moog
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To: FerdieMurphy
Well, these kids are going to have to learn it if they expect to play college ball. My kids were shocked to see the Fighting Illini and the Northwestern Wildcat football players shaking hands at the end of the game this past weekend.

Sign me,
Marching Illini Alum
Member of the Honor the Chief org.

28 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:07 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: moog

We should have well developed minds and bodies. Sadly things have gotten out of balance in some areas.


29 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:37 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

We should have well developed minds and bodies. Sadly things have gotten out of balance in some areas.

They indeed have. For me, school came first and I loved it, but I did enjoy the athletic part of it too. Things have gotten out of balance in MANY areas.


30 posted on 11/21/2005 10:05:25 AM PST by moog
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To: moog
extorting as much money from the community for as little work as possible

You're right, I HARDLY do any work as a teacher because it's such an easy job. The parents appreciate my lack of effort too.

See the school strike in the Pennsbury School District, PA. Average teacher's salary is $75,000 and they pay nothing for health care - AND THEY ARE ON STRIKE!

31 posted on 11/21/2005 10:07:20 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Eagle Eye

>Check out your military service academy students.
> There you have bright minds who also have physical prowess.

Not high school, are they.

> Too bad that you seem to think in the either/or mode.

How do you figure? If you want to go play a game... fine. Go forth. But whether that game is Doom, football or Dungeons and Dragons, it's not appropriate for a taxpayer-funded educational establishment... *especially* when the long-term result is ill-educated criminal thugs.

> Fortunately there are enough engineers out here who are more developed and well rounded than you.

Fortuantely, you don't know anything about me.


32 posted on 11/21/2005 10:10:13 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: moog

> Half of the town where I grew up would lynch someone for making a statement like that.

One more reason why it's important. What would be the chances of you getting lynched for sayign the chess club or the drama department should be gotten rid of? Sports, far from being a civilizing force for proper behavior, has become an outlet for brainless barbarism.


33 posted on 11/21/2005 10:12:18 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Eagle Eye

> We should have well developed minds and bodies.

Indeed so. What does that have to do with enshrining football or basketball? Have basic PE... but sports are a pointless and expensive appendage on an educational establishment.


34 posted on 11/21/2005 10:14:03 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Forcing players to shake hands or not shake hands with the other team does not seem to have much to do with sportmanship. I played at the college and high school level many years back. There were times that you truly felt like going up to an opponent after a game and there were times that you did not. But the one thing that was overriding in those days was that you had a responsibility to the team and to the school. You may have felt like being unsportmanslike at times, but you knew that you were representing your school and your family and you could not embarrass them and if you did you would regret it. There were teams that you played that had reputations for poor sportmanship and the coaches and administrators were not shy in lecturing once in a while that you did not want to be like so and so. The teams that I played on were hesitant to run the scores up on other teams because it was known that in a year or two the roles might be reversed. Hotdogging and showing up the other team were not tolerated. We learned the team was more important than the individual. That element of sportmanship is sorely lacking on almost all levels of sport today.


35 posted on 11/21/2005 10:16:02 AM PST by Biblebelter
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To: 2banana
See the school strike in the Pennsbury School District, PA. Average teacher's salary is $75,000 and they pay nothing for health care - AND THEY ARE ON STRIKE! Yes, those Pennsylvania school districts do strike for some pretty dumb reasons. I remember one that went on strike for their work day going to 6 and a half hours. Many teachers I know work just as hard as anyone, even on off-contract time. My own salary comes nowhere close to the Pennsylvania teachers (though in some areas it does reflect living costs too). Not many teachers here would have sympathy towards them. I sure don't if that was the case.

My own personal feeling is that we should respect anyone of any job field who works hard, does his/her best, does so with integrity, and has a great attitude.

36 posted on 11/21/2005 10:17:16 AM PST by moog
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To: orionblamblam
"One more reason why it's important. What would be the chances of you getting lynched for sayign the chess club or the drama department should be gotten rid of? Sports, far from being a civilizing force for proper behavior, has become an outlet for brainless barbarism."

I agree in principle with you because I am a teacher. How many scientists or mathmeticians can the average person name? But how many sports stars can the average person name? I will often hear that there was no time for homework because of soccer practice, a baseball game, etc.

The benefit to my hometown is not academic necessarily, but it is indeed civic and a sign of town pride. Like it or not, many universities get promoted more through athletics than in academic areas. People don't show up in droves to watch the knowledge bowl team at Michigan.

37 posted on 11/21/2005 10:22:02 AM PST by moog
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To: orionblamblam
Where do you think the service academy students come from? Typically they are honor roll students who lettered in two or three sports and often was captain of at least one.

Most of our military officers from other sources are just as well rounded, too.

Fortuantely, you don't know anything about me.

You don't like athletic competition.

You hold atheltic competition in contept.

You view those who compete in high school as losers who peak at 18.

You seem to think that athletes can do nothing intellectual.

You seem to think that life is either sports or brains.

You probably endured wedgies throughout your middle school and high school years.

And...you really do have a problem with those who can and do compete athletically.

Sounds a lot like jealousy and bitterness on your part.

38 posted on 11/21/2005 10:24:16 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: orionblamblam

The three other kids in my daughter's AP Physics class are all football players. Her lab partner is the starting quarterback.


39 posted on 11/21/2005 10:29:42 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Sadly things have gotten out of balance in some areas.

My huge stomach is one of those. I tilt forward every time I walk. My little first graders started patting my stomach like a little Bhudda last year rather than give me a high five on the way out. Geez...


40 posted on 11/21/2005 10:31:04 AM PST by moog
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