Ex-Gay Ministry Leader Refutes Protesters' Anti-Reparative Therapy Claims

Agape Press ^ | 11/18/05 | Jim Brown and Jenni Parker

[wagglebee]

According to Chambers, the fact that ex-homosexuals exist invalidates the notion that homosexuality is biologically determined. And at the same time, he contends, those homosexual activists and other individuals who deny that hundreds of thousands of men and women have found freedom from homosexuality are, in effect, invalidating their own messages calling for tolerance and respect.

The left would actually prefer that seminars be held to persuade heterosexuals to become sodomites.

[wagglebee]

Homosexual agenda ping.

[nmh]

No one is born that way. No one.

It's the LEFT and in this situation, "practicing" homos who wish to remain in denial - they HATE the truth.

[nmh]

BUMP!

[dan1123]

Tolerance and respect in general is never what the homosexual groups wanted. The only tolerance they wanted was to their sexual acts, and the only respect they wanted was to homosexuals over heterosexuals.

[Salvey]

angry group of protesters, many of whom argued that reparative therapy is dangerous

Yes it is -- to their twisted, selfish agenda.

[dan1123]

The "born that way" provides them with two uses. First, it pushes the public to accept homosexuality as "natural". Second it sticks it to the religious who believe that homosexual acts are sinful, because "how can God condemn someone when He made them that way"? Therefore discounting Christianity entirely.

[MeekMom]

Thank you for posting this article.
Is it any surprise that a "catholic" would have trouble grasping reality?
I was once a lesbian but am no longer. I decided I wanted to obey the Lord more than satisfy my sinful thoughts. It was really that simple. I still find women attractive, but I don't lust over them. I am happy and at peace with God over this issue.

[wagglebee]

Is it any surprise that a "catholic" would have trouble grasping reality?

What exactly do you mean by this?

[MeekMom]

The catholic had a problem with understanding that one is not born gay. That's my point. No one is born gay. Period.

[Zeroisanumber]

Having had a lot more contact with gays than I suspect the average person here has, I've come around to the idea that homosexuality is a genetic propensity rather than an environmental one. I suspect that the "success stories" of Reparative Therapy were either not all that gay, or decided that they'd rather climb back into the closet than deal with the stress of family/social ostracism.

Flame away.

[wagglebee]

So why make the remark about his being Catholic?

[dr huer]

Ask your evolutionist how a "gay" gene can survive even a dozen generations. If you prefer inquire of your intelligent designer what he had in mind if he made homosexuality a built in.

[wagglebee]

I agree, and it really doesn't have much to do with the theory of evolution. If homosexuality were actually genetic, homosexuality would have ceased to exist thousands of years ago due to the fact that the gene would have disappeared through the elimination of reproduction.

[Albion Wilde]

God bless you! You made the right decision for your life and your child(ren).

[Raycpa]

Why do you agree with the reports of one group (gays) over the reports of another group (ex-gays)? There is no objective proof one way or another, just personal bias in choosing one over another.

[little jeremiah]

This isn't a flame. Just pointing out that many therapists and counselors, over many years, have helped thousands of homosexuals leave the "gay" life. A lot more experience, time, sheer numbers and knowledge than your opinion based on anecdotal homosexuals you have personally known.

[Albion Wilde]

Recent research into brain recovery from trauma like stroke points to the brain's ability to grow larger in areas that receive a lot of cognitive attention; therefore, the brain of a violinist at death will be structured differently from the brain of an administrator, etc. Much of what may appear to you to be the result of genetics may actually be the result of repeated thoughts and behaviors.

[Raycpa]

A number of homosexuals do not discover their orientation until after they start families.

( How they do that is beyond me. The thought of having homosexual sex is so off putting, that I cannot imagine how they could have opposite sex if they are wired for same sex)

[Albion Wilde]

If homosexuality were actually genetic, homosexuality would have ceased to exist thousands of years ago due to the fact that the gene would have disappeared through the elimination of reproduction.

Well, no, because in past generations there was no discrete social category for homosexuality. Everyone was expected to marry and reproduce, and most gave it a whack, although there were certainly many complaints about some of the effeminate husbands of the upper classes who sired heirs but fooled around with other men and neglected their wives.