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Austria arrests Irving over Holocaust
Reuters ^ | Nov 17, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/17/2005 5:17:01 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

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To: Anti-Bubba182

Irving oughta get on the gulag denial program. It's a much more profitable shtick. Tenure at American universities, pundit chair on the idiot box, congressional seats, all await.


21 posted on 11/17/2005 6:44:54 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Anti-Bubba182
He must have already written two or three dozen thought provoking books by now. Way too late.
22 posted on 11/17/2005 6:52:50 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: nkycincinnatikid

thought provoking holocaust denial books, yes, lovely.

amazing thing to me about holocaust deniers is that they all will very quickly argue that all the Jews SHOULD be killed, but that when a regime took over Europe with that mission at its core, they claim that they never got around to it, or something.


23 posted on 11/17/2005 7:01:44 PM PST by babble-on
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To: Alter Kaker

I am refering about the American First Amendment.

We all know Europeans(generally) believe in no such creature.


24 posted on 11/17/2005 7:02:53 PM PST by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1523899/posts


25 posted on 11/17/2005 7:04:05 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: The KG9 Kid

Gee....sounds like something out of a Michael Moore film.


26 posted on 11/17/2005 7:05:27 PM PST by Trance750
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To: babble-on
alas, babble-on, babble-on
27 posted on 11/17/2005 7:11:42 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: GBA




"But moreover, I'm a friend of truth."


Yeah, State controlled "truth". With friends like this, who needs enemies.

I don't believe in a government (i.e. socicist) agency being the judge of what the truth is.
The Truth doen't need a vangurard of bullyboys to reveal it.
Just defenders willing to stand up and counter such idiocies as Irving promotes.

You only cheapen the virtue of truth with such heavy handed tactics.

Much like the Nazis would use to enforce their version of "Truth" of which Mr. Irving is a big fan of.

"He wasn't arrested here, so no freedom of speech violated."


You have a Very LIMITED view of freedom. The Holocaust didn't happen here. Does that make it any less of a crime?

Completely illogical.



Twenty years? Why not the death penalty for "thought crimes".

Hitler and Goebbels would be soooooo proud of you and the Austrians today.


28 posted on 11/17/2005 7:20:55 PM PST by RedMonqey (Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Am I the only one here who's amused by the irony of the Austrians arresting a Holocaust-denier...and by the thought that in whatever grave he's occupying, Adolf Hitler is probably spinning right now?


29 posted on 11/17/2005 7:24:20 PM PST by RichInOC (SATAN: WIE GEHT'S ADOLF!! IHRE GANZE SEELE SIND GEHOEREN UNS.)
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To: RedMonqey
State controlled truth? Get over yourself. Your emotionally charged rhetoric is way over the top and exactly what the Hitlers and the Gobbels used to advance their version of what is truth about those evil joos.

The Hitlers and the Gobbels of the world would not have been able to get as far as they did had people stood up for truth at the time. Now, likely out of societal guilt for what DID happen, the Austrians have laws to see that the holocaust doesn't happen again. Google recent polls asking Americans whether or not the holocaust happened. You might be surprised at what the Truth needs to have itself revealed. "vanguard of bullyboys"? Gosh, that's some writing.

Here in my country, I wouldn't be in favor of locking Irving up, but I'm also not in favor of telling the Austrians to live by our Constitution. They can freely decide that for themselves, as if I had anything to say about how they run their country! If they don't like people lying about the holocaust, it's their right to 'splain that to them. If you don't like that, don't go there. If you think it's ok to say the holocaust didn't happen, then we're done talking.

But we Americans do have the first Amendment and you can say whatever you feel like saying, regardless of how ignorant it might be. You don't have the right to be heard, but I support your first amendment right to freely express yourself. Just don't be surprised if someone takes offense and violates your pursuit of happiness.

30 posted on 11/17/2005 7:48:32 PM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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To: RedMonqey
I am refering about [SIC] the American First Amendment.

Well that's nice. You'd be amazed to learn that the First Amendment doesn't apply anywhere except in the United States. So bringing up the US Constitution is rather pointless.

31 posted on 11/17/2005 7:51:39 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: GBA
Just don't be surprised if someone takes offense and violates your pursuit of happiness.

It is quite evident you have no concept of what the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were all about. Yeah, let's round up the people who we disagree with and violate their pursuit of happiness.

32 posted on 11/17/2005 8:24:51 PM PST by crabapple joe
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To: Alter Kaker
Oh fine, don't worry about guys who killed 30 million people, because Pedro might get a job picking lima beans.

Did David Irving really kill 30 million folks?....damn, he's better than Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, and Jeffrey Damler put together. Had I known I would be voting your party ticket. Based upon what I've read he's a historian who has written a number of well-read books on the second world war with no criminal record. Perhaps you can enlighten me. As for "Pedro" picking lima beans you might be interested to know that 25% of the criminal prison population in California is made up of illegal aliens. But now we're talking about real criminals, as opposed to "thought criminals"...a distinction you obviously don't get.

33 posted on 11/17/2005 8:33:11 PM PST by crabapple joe
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To: R.W.Ratikal

It must really suck to live in a Nation with no 1st amendment rights.


34 posted on 11/17/2005 8:47:27 PM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: RedMonqey
Twenty years? Why not the death penalty for "thought crimes".

Here in Atlanta we recently had a real criminal sentenced to only 30 years for murdering a mother and her two-year old child...shot the child in the head and then burned both of them in the trunk of their car. Two of the twelve jurors (both "minorities") would not vote for the death penalty. Now we have a man with no criminal record facing 20 years in prison for an opinion. What has Western Civilizian come to. The sad and pathetic fact is that here on a "conservative" web site folks are supporting the "thought crime" arrest. George Orwell is loving this stuff.

35 posted on 11/17/2005 9:02:45 PM PST by crabapple joe
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Denying the holocaust is a crime in Austria which carries a sentence of 1-10 years.

Long live the 1st amendment in america!

36 posted on 11/17/2005 9:03:48 PM PST by lawgirl (Sure I believe in intelligent design. The best accident we've come up with is Mary in grilled cheese)
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To: lawgirl
Denying the holocaust is a crime in Austria which carries a sentence of 1-10 years.

~ Long live the 1st amendment in America! ~

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If their was no Lenin or Russian Revolution I believe their would have never been a Hitler and no Jewish mass murders.

Cause and Effect.

Anyway, global abortion deaths will superseded the list below someday.


The 30 or so worst bloodletting's of the Twentieth Century

37 posted on 11/17/2005 9:27:38 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: R.W.Ratikal
Am I to understand that it's against the law in Austria to deny that the Holocaust happened? That's worse than the Holocaust.

Talking about killing Jews is worse than killing them?

38 posted on 11/17/2005 10:21:08 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: crabapple joe
"It is quite evident you have no concept of what the Constitution and Declaration of Independence were all about."

It is quite evident you read into things what you want to see and enjoy emotional hyperbole. I never once advocated rounding people up and violating their pursuit of happiness. But as a student of human nature, I've noticed that INDIVIDUALS often become offended when beliefs they hold dear are slandered and sometimes they will act out. Is that right? Well no, but it's not surprising either.

Just so you know, there are limits to freedom. You can say anything about anybody, but you may discover that there are laws regarding slander.

Stick to the FACTS and I've got no problem with whatever you want to say, regardless of how offensive it might be at the moment.

39 posted on 11/18/2005 4:03:59 AM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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To: JABBERBONK
It must really suck to live in a Nation with no 1st amendment rights.

Why, are you a Holocaust denier? You are aware, I hope, that the First Amendment applies only to the United States?

40 posted on 11/18/2005 7:19:27 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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