Posted on 11/17/2005 11:27:22 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
Better...
You mention evolution as a 'science'. Evolutionists have claimed that one species can become another species resulting in offspring of that new species. Let's take a look at the scientific method:
1. Observe some aspect of the universe.
2. Invent a tentative description, called a hypothesis, that is consistent with what you have observed.
3. Use the hypothesis to make predictions.
4. Test those predictions by experiments or further observations and modify the hypothesis in the light of your results.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until there are no discrepancies between theory and experiment and/or observation.
So here are the questions:
1) Have evolutionists predicted a new species coming from an existing species?
2) Have these predictions been tested and observed?
Have these questions been answered? These questions better be answered if you are going to parade evolution around as a fact and defend it as fact.
It is certainly true that Muslims have the same idea as the Christians who attack evolution.
quote: No Muslim Would Ever Say, "There Is Intelligent Design" Instead of "Allah Created"!
http://www.harunyahya.com/new_releases/news/intelligent_design.php
An excerpt:
"Intelligent Design" Is Another of Satan's Distractions
"In rejecting one false claim such as evolution, one must be very careful not to fall prey to another of Satan's snares. One of Satan's main objectives is to prevent the recognition of Allah by any means possible, and to cause people to ignore His remembrance.
"There are those whom Satan has not been able to deceive with the concept of evolution. But if he can divert them in another direction, such as that of "intelligent design" he will again have achieved his end, in turning people away from remembering Allah.
"How Satan manages to appear in the name of truth and causes people to deviate by obstructing truth is revealed in the Qur'an:
"He [Satan] said: "By Your misguidance of me, I will lie in ambush for them on your straight path. Then I will come at them, from in front of them and behind them, from their right and from their left. You will not find most of them thankful." (Qur'an, 7:16-17)
"It should be known that overturning the theory of evolution and revealing the "chance" mindset as invalid both demonstrate the existence of Allah, by Whom everything was created, and not of "intelligent design." "
See http://www.harunyahya.com/
Isn't this almost exactly what creationists and IDers say? Substitute "God" for "Allah" and "Bible" for "Qu'ran". The argument is the same.
who has the last word regarding schooling, the gov't or parents?
Your response:
"Good point. I say parents. And as a parent, I want my child to learn the science of evolution. So don't try to fill his head with your religious nonsense and superstitious mumbo-jumbo."
Suppose a majority of school district patrons want, not a course taught, simply an ID statement read, whenever evolution is taught?
That's what church is for, James. Fill your kid's head, in your church, with as much religion as you want.
And furthermore, I don't want my tax dollars spent to teach such things that I disagree with.
Well, fortunately nothing in the law permits your mere status as a taxpayer to infuse science education with your religion. So what you want is, to put it bluntly, irrelevant.
It would appear, that we have a problem.
Nope. You have a problem, in that the schools are going to continue to teach science, while you fume away. But so long as we have a First Amendment to prevent religion from being taught in schools, I have no problem.
Additionally, I am asking that you show me evidence that not only supports an intelligent designer, but would disprove that there was one if it that evidence had been different.
But I thought this line said just the opposite?
"But if he can divert them in another direction, such as that of "intelligent design" he will again have achieved his end, in turning people away from remembering Allah."
That you cannot believe in 'intelligent design' and believe in God (Allah) also.
Maybe in your world, but that's not how natural selection works. Sorry.
Pressures are not proactive in achieving a desired end
The only desired end is surviving to reproduce succesfully. Those individuals that survive pass on their DNA, those that don't, do not. There are no other "ends" in biology.
A better term would be natural results, not selection.
You can call it "Dorothy" for all I care, the underlying process remains the same.
Go back to high-school, kid. "Prediction" in science doesn't mean what you think it means. And, yes, scientists studying the science of evolution has made plenty of predictions, which have borne it out.
who has the last word regarding schooling, the gov't or parents?
Your choices are incomplete. You mentioned the greater collective of the state, and the lesser collective of the society of parents, but not the individual. Who gets the last word? In some circumstances it is the individual. You also forgot to include, as one of your choices, "the law."
Suppose a majority of school district patrons want, not a course taught, simply an ID statement read, whenever evolution is taught?
Again, because you forgot the to mention the individual, you set up a false dichotomy between the government and a majority of parents. The correct answer is that because the individual has a right not to have the state (or the parents acting through the state) take an action respecting the establishment of religion, the individual dissenter has the last word.
But, even in the absence of a dissenter, the law mandates that there are certain things which the government, even a unanimous government, has no power to do. And taking the act you describe is one of them.
"Go back to high-school, kid. "Prediction" in science doesn't mean what you think it means. And, yes, scientists studying the science of evolution has made plenty of predictions, which have borne it out."
I didn't think you had any REAL EVIDENCE.
Why are you so fond of being compared with extremist muslims?
If by "real evidence" you mean 4,000 fairy tales about magic fruit and talking snakes, then no, I don't base my beliefs on anything like that.
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