New York Times Deceives Public About Kansas Definition of Science

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2005/11/kansas_definition_of_science_c.html#more ^

[NickatNite2003]

Well of course the NYTs rats lie at the drop
of a beret, to protect their souless socialist
movement to rip the human spirit out of all
americans.

[metmom]

NYT lied? Can it be? What's this world coming to?

[Coyoteman]

So now we get our definitions of science from Jonathan Wells, Ph.D, and the Discovery Institute????

Gimmi a break!

[From many - one.]

Kansas did, indeed redefine science.
Here's the original:
"Science is the human activity of seeking natural explanations for what we observe in the world around us."


And here's the new version:
"Science is a systematic method of continuing investigation that uses observations, hypothesis testing, measurement, experimentation, logical argument and theory building to lead to more adequate explanations of natural phenomena."


That is called a change. The new version is different from the old version. The new version does not specify natural explanations.

[BikerNYC]

It looks like it sure did meaningfully and purposefully change the definition.

And some of these other definitions are bizarre:

Utah: "Science is a way of knowing, a process for gaining knowledge and understanding of the natural world."

Just like Buddhism. Give me a break.

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks, but I don't think I should ping the list to what is, essentially, nothing more than a denial of reality from a creationist source.

Junior, archival ping.

[PatrickHenry]

Ooops. I forgot to include you in #7.

[From many - one.]

Basically what happens when "educators" get anywhere near science.

At least most of the others do not have a malicious intent. The Kansas definion was changed specifically to allow ID.

[NickatNite2003]

Actually, I was taught the latter definition, over..
well lets just say "over 25 years" ago...and leave it
at that. In fact that was the way i was taught it, in
both a private and a public school. They used to call
it 'Scientific Method'...

[js1138]

Jonathan Wells is a Butt buddy of the Reverand Moon.

[js1138]

Pardon... Reverend Moon

[js1138]

Interesting that Kansas would like to defend ID as science, even though it partakes of none of the activities listed in the various state definitions.

Not one hypothesis or test or piece of new data has originated with the ID movement.

[From many - one.]

You do realize, I hope, that a word for word presaging on the Kansas rewrite is highly unlikely.

Do you have a written source to back up your memory?

[From many - one.]

ID is science, evolution is religion and a completely different definition is not a changed defintion.

Wonderland.

[NickatNite2003]

'Fraid not...that *was* a *long* time ago for me..
But i have no doubt that a search for the term
'Scientific Method' would result in some
corroborating info.

[From many - one.]

Nope, not scientific method.

That version misses the basic point of the answers needing to refer to the natural world.

That's one reason I doubt your memory.

[js1138]

At any rate, it's not the definition at the beginning of the standards that counts. It's the bogus undermining of evidence in the details. The assertion that the fossil record does not support evolution -- something denied by ID advocates Behe and Denton.

[From many - one.]

You're right..there's a lot of stuff besides the new definiton that is dishonest and just plain wrong and definitely put there with an agenda

[Junior]

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